[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 7, 9:12*am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 7 Sep, 05:21, MiNe 109 * wrote:





In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 23:19, MiNe 109 * wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.

I am gald you admit she lacks pride in Maerica, and explain it'
by her having grown up black.

No, that's your twisting of her words to which I object.

Which ones, the first time when she said Its the first
time she was proud of America or the second time, when she said
Its the first time she was really proud of America. I have seen the
video
of both. I didn't twist her words, she said what she said.

Yes

"First time" You just can't comprehend "First time".
the lady is 44 years old





She is a little something over 40 myears old
and she hasn't been proud of America until her
husbaqnd was going to be nominated to run for
President. Even at that, her 'recent' pride
is quite self centered, arrogant, and egotisitcal.
Her pride in America does not follow from America's ideals, its
history,
its successes, its trials, its shining moments, it's
Constitution, its freedoms. No, her suddenly developed
pride comes form her own spouse's individual accomplishment.

No, that's your cynical twist. Her remarks came in the context of the
reality of a major political party choosing between a woman and a black
man, something considered impossible within recent memory.

It's like the difference between a life-long Christian and one
born-again. Think of her as a born-again patriot.

It's the "First time" she was proud.
That means that she was never proud before.

Man, no wonder you are a friend of 2pid's.

Still, your racist implications stand.

Nope.

That one should not expect blacks to have pride in America

And yet she's really proud of America.

A newbie! and only because her husband was going to be nominated.
How slef centered she is.

Only someone looking for a partisan attack would interpret her remarks
that way.

No, because of how you expressed this thought as a contrast to Michelle
Obama's statement.

ok, you are admitting she lacks pride in America.

No, you asserted it.

Lordy!!! You just said it was a "contrast" to my own statement
discussing my pruide in AMerica. the "contrast" is that
I have pride and she lacks it.
You are the one who described our statements as contrasting!

The contrast is all on your part. You aren't attacking McCain for not
"really loving" America.

and STILL saying that growing up black
implies an expectation that blacks do
\not have pride in Maerica,.
And still, you hold a racist stereotype.

As opposed to pretending there's no race or class strife.

So, in your mind, because of societal strife, we should not have
the expectation that black people would have pride in America.
I note that you, like most other racists, have lower expectations
and inferior stereotypes for black people.

Your definition of "racist" is broken.

You need to develop *your self awareness of your massive guilt
of being just another racist evil white person.
Going to a black liberation church can help
you cast off your self hated whiteness, atone for your sins, and
become black.

Your lack of personal responsibility doesn't mean there's no societal
responsibility.

Says the founder Cone and the current proponent White:

"The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the
destruction of
America as he knows it." Such destruction requires both black anger
and white guilt. The black-power theologian's goal is to tell the
story
of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men
will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with
the filth of their evil." In the preface to his 1970 book, A Black
Theology
of Liberation, Wright wrote: "There will be no peace in America until
whites
begin to hate their whiteness, asking from the depths of their being:
'How can we become black?'""

try to find one in your area

1970, eh? Think of it, someone raised in such an environment is now
"really proud" of America. A real patriot would celebrate the return of
the prodigal.

I am waiting for "the first time" you accept reality.

If you're going to quote, best not go off memory, Clyde. Yours seems a
little off:

"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a
comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something --
for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my
country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I
think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see
our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in
my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to
be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."

You are saying "ever". She did not say that. You say she wasn't proud.
She was proud, but now she's "really proud". And you are also wrong to
assert that it's because Obama has done well. She specifically
addresses that.

Now quit twisting words and go back to your beer. And remember: "This
is your brain on beer, this is what happens to your brain when you mix
beer and stupid pills."