[MiNe 109]

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Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 17:36, MiNe 109 wrote:
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*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 6 Sep, 15:10, MiNe 109 * wrote:
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So, you speculated I did n ot grow up as a minority because I had
pride in my country. That means you expet that
minoritiesw have no pride in their country.

No, I speculated because you don't seem to understand one
minority-member's view. Admittedly, you could just not understand
regardless of race.

HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.


I am gald you admit she lacks pride in Maerica, and explain it'
by her having grown up black.

No, that's your twisting of her words to which I object.

Still, your racist implications stand.

Nope.

That one should not expect blacks to have pride in America

And yet she's really proud of America.

Thus, you strongly implied that minorities would
not have pride in the US.

You made that up, the same way you made up the bit about Michelle.

Then there is NO reason for you to
'guess' I did not grow up as a minority.

Yes, your previous statements.

Which ones?
the one's where I expressed pride in America?
You 'guessed' I was not a minority because
I have such pride.
If there was another reason, your were being'duplicitous.

Your attacks on Michelle Obama.





I responded to that
by portraying your statement as racist. You responded
by pointing out the prideful military service contributions of
minorities.
SOoooooo, you have been arguing with yourself.
AHA!!! You "DO" agree that minorities have pride in the US.
Very good! *You are correct.

Your strawmen are arguing amongst themselves.

My synopsis is an accurate summary of the conversation

No, it isn't.

ME:
"I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
* We haven't always done the right things, but overall
* this nation has been of benefit to the world,
*especially in comparison to most other nations. "

* "I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
*I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
* old to have my first instance of being
* proud, or really proud, of the US. "

then YOU:

"I'll guess you didn't grow up as a minority."

Steve, If you didn't mean that my pride in America
did not fit your stereotype that minorities
lack pride, please expalin wahtever else one is supposed to get out of
your
statement.

I'm not interested in the "pride: yes or no" question. You twisted an
expression of pride, Michelle being "really proud," into its opposite,
that if she were "really proud" at one point in time she couldn't have
been proud before or that she must have "despised" America.

Minorities have more personal experience with some of the things wrong
with the USA by definition, and it's not racism to say so.

As far as I can tell, you identified me as
a non minority specifically because of my pride in America.

No, because of how you expressed this thought as a contrast to Michelle
Obama's statement.


ok, you are admitting she lacks pride in America.

No, you asserted it.

and STILL saying that growing up black
implies an expectation that blacks do
\not have pride in Maerica,.
And still, you hold a racist stereotype.

As opposed to pretending there's no race or class strife.

I think you need a few sessions at
Trinity Church to exorcise your massive white
guilt.

I think you need curb your word-twisting hobby.

Stephen