On May 24, 2:32*pm, "ScottW" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message
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ScottW wrote:
: Look at the huge gap between guaranteed admission and qualified
: UC admission standards. Why aren't all the qualified guaranteed admission?
Because the state needs to decide if it wishes to invest in education.
At the CSU, UC, and community colleges, the amount of money it takes
to educate a student exceeds what is taken in through tuition and fees.
The balance is covered by taxpayer money. *Since there is only a limited
amount of money budgeted to higher education, there are only a certain
number of students the system can service.
Doesn't address the question at all. *The UC system certainly has a certain
capacity. *That capacity is often established in facilities and infrastructure
paid off years ago. *Allocating such a significant percentage of that capacity
to foreign students is part of the mix. When projecting the cost to service
more US students they always require more capacity, more classrooms, more
teachers etc.
What they could do is simply allocate the capacity they have to US
students at far less cost than increasing capacity.
The state of California is in dire straits because of a growing demand
for stilled workers in engineering and computer science, without enough
graduates to fill that demand. *At the same time, California is cutting
the budgets of higher education. *The state needs to decide if it wishes
to invest in education, if it is to guarantee admission to all
qualified students.
Exactly.
BLS
Why are you quoting BLS, 2pid? Look:
Other qualifications. Engineers should be creative, inquisitive,
analytical, and detail oriented. They should be able to work as part
of a team and to communicate well, both orally and in writing.
Communication abilities are becoming increasingly important as
engineers frequently interact with specialists in a wide range of
fields outside engineering.
Lol
doesn't agree and being a member of that work force I can attest that
the trend to outsource product design and development is now following the
same path offshore as manufacturing.
You mean that corporations will go to where things are cheaper to
maximize profits? And that they have no sense of "patriotism"?
What a suprising discovery!
Computer hardware engineer demand is projected to grow slower than
the population (although why we continue to pursue policies supporting
population growth is beyond any logic).
I'm sure it is simply to make you even more angry.
Further, over 1/3 of engineering jobs are in manufacturing which continues
to decline in the US.
Yup. It's cheaper to make a shirt using 12-year-old labor at $2.00 per
day.
BLS
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm
currently projects a general match with engineering grads and
US jobs. *Sadly a high percentage of those grads are foreign students
who in effect deny opportunity to US students.
You must have missed this:
"About 1,830 programs at colleges and universities offer bachelor’s
degrees in engineering that are accredited by the Accreditation Board
for Engineering and Technology (ABET), Inc., and there are another 710
accredited programs in engineering technology. ABET accreditation is
based on a program’s faculty, curriculum, and facilities; the
achievement of a program’s students; program improvements; and
institutional commitment to specific principles of quality and ethics.
[i.e. Lol!]"
That's about 2,500 opportunities for US students to be "denied
opportunities". This also doesn't include this:
"Some engineering schools have agreements with 2-year colleges whereby
the college provides the initial engineering education, and the
engineering school automatically admits students for their last 2
years. In addition, a few engineering schools have arrangements that
allow students who spend 3 years in a liberal arts college studying
pre-engineering subjects and 2 years in an engineering school studying
core subjects to receive a bachelor’s degree from each school. Some
colleges and universities offer 5-year master’s degree programs. Some
5-year or even 6-year cooperative plans combine classroom study and
practical work, permitting students to gain valuable experience and to
finance part of their education."
So there are even more opportunities to deny US students an education.
I think we should close a large percentage of these institutions. That
way we can deny the foriegn students too. ;-)