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On May 25, 7:25*pm, ScottW wrote:
On May 25, 11:35*am, Jenn wrote:


Note how much of that is outside the teachers' influence.


*I see you're not really interested in going to pupils test
scores to make a case for Ca. teachers.


I see you cannot counter Jenn's point.

Here, 2pid:

METHODOLOGY--This fifth Smartest State designation is awarded based on
21 factors chosen from Morgan Quitno’s annual reference book,
Education State Rankings, 2006-2007. To calculate the Smartest State
rankings, the 21 factors were divided into two groups: those that are
“negative” for which a high ranking would be considered bad for a
state, and those that are “positive” for which a high ranking would be
considered good. Rates for each of the 21 factors were processed
through a formula that measures how a state compares to the national
average for a given category. The positive and negative nature of each
factor was taken into account as part of the formula. Once these
computations were made, the factors then were assigned equal weights.
These scores then were added together to determine a state’s final
score (“SUM” on the table above.) This way, states are assessed based
on how they stack up against the national average. The end result is
that the farther below the national average a state’s education
ranking is, the lower (and less smart) it ranks. The farther above the
national average, the higher (and smarter) a state ranks. This same
methodology is used for our annual Healthiest State, Safest and Most
Dangerous State and Safest/Dangerous City Awards.

Therefore, 2pid, such things as:

Special Education Pupil-Teacher Ratio (Table 339) -
Percent of Public Elementary and Secondary School Staff Who are School
District Administrators (Table 380) -
Average Class Size in Public Elementary Schools (Table 425) -
Average Class Size in Public Secondary Schools (Table 426) -
Median Pupil-Teacher Ratio in Public Primary Schools (Table 429) -
Median Pupil-Teacher Ratio in Public Middle Schools (Table 432) -
Median Pupil-Teacher Ratio in Public High Schools (Table 435) -
Public Elementary and Secondary School Revenue per $1,000 Personal
Income (Table 56) +
Percent of Public Elementary and Secondary School Current Expenditures
used for Instruction (Table 134) +
Percent of Population Graduated from High School (Table 171) +
Average Teacher Salary as a Percent of Average Annual Pay of All
Workers (Table 364) +
Average Daily Attendance as a Percent of Fall Enrollment in Public
Elementary and Secondary Schools (Table 398) +

are among those things that Jenn points out are not in a teacher's
control but given equal weight. California (a dumb state, but if you'd
move it would no doubt move up) is far below Massachusetts (a smart
state) in per-pupil spending, as it is compared to Vermont and most
(if not all) of the smart states. It appears that there's a very
strong correlation between per-pupil spending, class sizes, and
results. So I'm glad to see you advocate spending more money on
education.

http://ftp2.census.gov/govs/school/06f33pub.pdf

Would you please take the time to read and understand George's very
helpful post on writing style, and then try to apply it to a thought
that isn't totally stoopid?

TIA.

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