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"BretLudwig" wrote:
Higher education as a pyramid scheme.

"From The Atlantic, an anonymous article by a
Professor
X,
who
teaches
English 101 at a couple of unselective colleges to
people
who
can't
learn
to form coherent paragraphs:

In the Basement of the Ivory Tower

I agree with some of this. Not everyone needs higher
education.
But
everyone deserves a shot at it if they have strong
desire.
Keep
the
standards high,

I don't know why the standards of admission are so high
that
very
qualified US students can't find a seat in our universities
while
we bring in 1000s of foreign students every year.

Huh? Where's the evidence of that?

Commissions paid for foreign students.

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N26/college.html

*Do you know that USC is 20% foreign students?

http://www.iie.org/Content/Navigatio.../PressReleases
/New
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nt_of_Foreign_Students_in_the_U_S__Climbs_in_2005_ 06.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14034413

Yes, I'm aware of this, but it doesn't address your statement
that
qualified U.S. students can't find a seat in our universities.

*Look at the huge gap between guaranteed admission and qualified
UC admission standards.
Why aren't all the qualified guaranteed admission?

For example

UC Santa Cruz denied over 7,000 qualified freshman applicants.

http://admissions.ucsc.edu/apply/froshNotAdmitted.cfm

"Were UC-eligible students denied admission?
Since we are a selective campus, the majority of our denied
freshmen
were
UC-eligible. "

ScottW

Eligible, but are they the most qualified?

I really don't give a **** about that when it comes to foreign
students. *Admit all the US qualified and give whats left over
to the foreigners.

Also, the foreign students pay a tuition rate that fully pays for
their
education; IIRC about $25,000 for out of state, vs. about $7000 for
in
state.

*That is highly debatable.
*They pay for the current cost of the current
seat. *They don't pay a rate that pays for the capacity increase to
provide
a seat for the US student they displaced.

Foreign students don't take enough seats that they impact facilities,
if
that's what you mean.

*That's ridiculous. *When schools are operating at full capacity,
every seat taken displaces a qualified US student.
Additional capacity doesn't require a desk, it requires whole
buildings.

What college is operating at such a capacity IRT their physical plant? *

SDSU claims to be at capacity and routinely transfers students to
CSSM and has been doing so for quite a while.

http://advancement.sdsu.edu/marcomm/.../pr122001.html

So some students have to go a few miles up the road to San Marcos. They
are hardly being denied seats in the system.


At what college have foreign students caused such an impact?







*The $25000 or so pays for their whole ticket, as
opposed to the $7000 for in-state students. *We can't afford more
students paying $7000 for education that costs $25000 with the current
budget.

* Education, like most government bureauocracies are full of waste.
*The total cost number you site has been spiraling ever higher at a
rate of increase comparable to medical care and far outpacing
inflation.
The Cato institute had an interesting take, they blame spiraling gov't
funded student aid. *The education bureauocracy has no real incentive
to hold the line on costs as students get more aid and education just
sucks it up giving them the same education for more.
Education has become one of the strongest political forces in Ca. and
the teachers union has managed to make Ca. teachers the highest paid
while being among the lowest performers in the nation.

Are you speaking of higher ed or K-12 now?

Both.

*In either case, what is your
evidence that CA teachers are "among the lowest performers in the
nation"?

In price, Ca. teachers are number 1. Are they number 1 in
performance? No.

Again, what is your evidence for this IRT performance?