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Default How can 2pid get things so wrong...

" How can 2pid get things so wrong...
by "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" May 17, 2008
at 05:51 AM

On May 16, 8:34=A0am, "BretLudwig" wrote:
****R : "Using your model here, we should be ditching the M-16 in

favor
of a
high-tech rifle replacement (after all, you're not going to ask a
front-line infantry soldier to "strap one on", are you? They are 1960s
technology.), spending tons to develop the replacement for the M-1
Abrams tank (ditto an armor soldier), new Combat Engineer vehicles,
new nuclear ballistic missile subs, and on and on and on."

=A0I'd definitely ditch the AR-15/M16 rifle (except for the specialized

us=
es
for which it had been developed) in favor of something more

intrinsically
reliable in dirty conditions and firing a more manstopping round than

the
inadequate .223


I wasn't surprised that 2pid was wrong.

I'm about as not surprised that Bratzi is too... ;-)"


Col. Jeff Cooper was probably the #1 small arms expert in the United
States and neither he nor hundreds of other officers, NCOs and law
enforcement professionals felt the M16/AR-15 weapons system was an
appropriate selection for the tasks for which it was put by the United
States Army and USMC.

Eugene Stoner himself was not overly thrilled with the servicewide
deployment of this rifle and said on many occasions he would have
preferred many later designs replace it.

I have owned several AR-15 rifles, Colt and other manufactuers', and
fired many more others including M16A1, A2 and A4 variants owned by the
military and (in the A1 case) legal Title II licensed private owners. It
is a nice rifle to shoot and I would recommend it for civilian
recreational use or for certain specialized LE/security and military uses.
It is not sufficiently reliable in stock form when used and maintained by
garden variety troops in the field over a wide range of conditions and it
does not fire a battleworthy rifle cartridge. It is not capable of
reliably stopping enraged or drugged combatants with one bullet under all
conditions. It is a varmint round pure and simple.

There are few things as fun as nailing squirrels in the head at moderate
ranges with a .223 and cooking them tastily. I love squirrel stew and
squirrel chow mein. But I won't even shoot feral cats, much less deer,
with one.

The minimum acceptable cartridge is one with at least 7mm bullet diameter
and muzzle energy in the class with a .243, .308 or 7.62x39 round. This
supposes a larger head diameter cartridge than the .223 and therefore
rebarreling the M16/AR-15 is not quite an option.

FN/FAL, Galil, or HK rifle systems are all far, far better choices as
would be a lightened M14/M1A or other Garand derivatives. Moving NATO from
..308 to 7mm08 or .243 would be okay if a flatter shooting lighter recoiling
round were needed.

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