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From: (Nousaine)
Date: 6/20/2004 8:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
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(S888Wheel) wrote:

From: Steven Sullivan ss wrote
...snips......

Hardly. I am suggesting that a common subjectivist
reaction to measurement-based claims of 'no audible difference' is that
the wrong thing has been measured.

hardly the case here since nothing since no specific measurements are being
discussed.

Bromo was kind enough to also allude
to the *other* standby, namely, 'there are things science can't measure
(optional: yet)'.

Actually he didn't. He was clearly speaking about the possibility in the
practical world that some people may simply not be measuring everything that
makes a difference. He made no mention of anything actually being
unmeasurable.
Scroll up and see for yourself.

The first could be true, but without some viable suggestion for
what the 'right thing' might be, it's hand-waving.

It's all hand waving with out any specifics. That would be the case here on
both sides.

Let me ask again. If I'm not mistaken you have said that anything that can be
heard can be measured or perhaps that was more like 'if you can't measure a
difference than there would be nothing to hear' or something similar. I then
asked exactly what measureable differences would explain amp/cable sound
.....
and I don't recall a response.

I didn't give one. I must have missed the question. I don't think I am the best
person to ask.

Again what should we be measuring to confirm 'amp/wire' sound that we haven't
already done?

I don't know. Maybe you should be measuring the acoustic output of the
speakers? Any audible differences would certainly show up there. I think you
would do better to ask someone who designs amps. Maybe you could pose this
question to Bill Johnson or Jeff Roland or Nelson Pass.