On 6/20/04 12:47 PM, in article XcjBc.148843$Ly.52420@attbi_s01, "Steven
Sullivan" wrote:

Are you suggesting we should not worry about people measuring everything that
matters or failing to measure everything that matters?

Hardly. I am suggesting that a common subjectivist
reaction to measurement-based claims of 'no audible difference' is that
the wrong thing has been measured. Bromo was kind enough to also allude
to the *other* standby, namely, 'there are things science can't measure
(optional: yet)'.

The first could be true, but without some viable suggestion for
what the 'right thing' might be, it's hand-waving. The second is a
truism, but again, where's the independent evidence or argument-from-data
to believe it's true in *this* case?

I would agree with you broadly - though it is just as wrong for people who
think they (or really do hear) differences to shut up and 'accept' the
status quo as it is wrong for those who have technical measurements to show
the state of the art cannot find any reason a person ought to be able to
hear differences.