"King Ghidora" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:48:19 +1100, "bassett"
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http://www.theaudioinsider.com/produ...d28f98c30133d6
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:There junk plain and simply or put another way , they would be contenders
:for the White van salesman
:even at the full price of $1049 there rubbish, and for that money
they
:can't be anything else, then there discounted down to $549. Ask
yourself
:what sort of quality hardware can you get for that sort of money.
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:I liked the bit about the cabinets quote, this is why we suggest that
a
iva cabinet is built not unlike a fine wooden yacht. The final 5.1BC
:enclosure is finished in economizing PVC simulated wood. unquote.
:So don't leave them near a window that gets a lot of sun or the bloody
:things will peel.
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:It all comes down to "you get what you pay for. PAY PEANUTS GET MONKEYS"
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.... This post is the epitome of snobbism maquerading as
knowledge. The audiofulls must certainly be proud of this
message because it is certainly full of it. The truth is
that people like drove the audio business to the point where
it is hard to get anything at all worth hearing for $550.
But before people got the idea that snobbism meant quality
it was possible to get decent quality for that price. It's
pure supply and demand. As long as there's a demand for
overpriced equipment (by our our hound dog friend here) then
people will fill the market and sell total junk at
reasonable prices in order to drive the snobbism so apparent
in this post.
**** Not at all, it's simply fact, and no where I have criticised the
sound coming from the product, I'm simply saying that to get anything of
quality, you need to pay for it. And you simply can't buy the hardware
for the money there charging for the complete product. Well that's not
quite true, you can, But you only get what you pay for.. Ask your
self, do you want a proper enginnered crossover or simply a cap, in the
line.
What your doing is compairing a $39.00 DVD player to a player worth
$3900.00 and then saying there's no differance.
. I remember when a person could buy a set of Infinity
speakers that sounded excellent for not much more than that
$550
..**** That was then, this is now, I also remember when two people could
have a night out for a couple of dollars. Ask yourself, What was
considered a weekly wage THEN.
This poster suggests that even at the listed price it
would be impossible to get quality. It is but only because
people who care more about crowing about how much money they
have to spend and rubbing it in people's faces have driven
the market that way. Just 10 years ago companies like
Boston Acoustics and even Sony built excellent quality
speakers in the price range mentioend.
****** OK, lets look at it another way, 10 years ago a pair of speakers
where worth 500 bucks, and now there worth five times that much,
$2500. have wages increased five fold in ten years.
Now it's keep up
with the Jonses or expect to get crap. Thanks hound dog.
People like you make it impossible for working people to get
quality audio. You people spend more money on stereo
equipment than I spent building my house and I have a VERY
nice house. I just built it 20 years ago. Thank goodness I
bought speakers that were excellent while it was still
possible to get them for a decent price. That $1200 figure
was about the magic number when I bought my speakers. If
you spent that much you could get quality. But just like
car stereo before it home audio has become a matter of
. "mine's bigger than yours" from people who are lacking in
the area they really care about.
***** People like me, let me tell you know one want's to be like me, a
couple of failed marrages, a couple of failed de-facto relationships,
Bankruptcy Blah, blah, blah. Give me a break.
Nothing special about me, but I looked at all the major brands, Then
went out and bought some SCAN SPEAK , "revolator" drivers and some high
quality SS tweeters, then I went to a cabinet maker friend with a set
of plans for cabinets and got him to produce them for me. There
solid real wood, I don't happen to like compressed cardboard, and
plactic veneer. As to the weight , each cabinet weighted something
like 50 kilo's , bare, add the hardware and your looking at something
like 65 kilo's
All up the cost was about 5 grand. I have since sold another couple
of pairs for something like 12 grand a pair. .
Simply because people liked what they heard and wanted the same
thing.
Here's a hint for you. Audio equipment isn't worth
thousands of dollars no matter how good it is. It's a
matter of gluttony at some point and serendipity at heart.
You think your thousands buy you the best but you wouldn't
recognize quality if it bit you on the rump. What is it
about audio that drives people nuts this way? I guess it's
the ephereal nature of it all. It's too hard to prove
anything so it's too easy to claim money is the magic salve
that fixes all. Well I've heard super high priced equipment
and I've heard consumer grade equipment from the old days
that exceeds the quality of that audiofull stuff so many
spew.
****** So would you buy a Ford car and expect the performance of a
BMW or a Porsche.
Would you walk into an audio shop with money for a Denon or a
Moranze, and expect to walk out with a Krell or a Cary.
Like everyone I started out small, then built up my stuff by replacing
it item for item, then my X hocked the lot and shoot through, So
I started again. I don't have 5000 dollar amps, I have some Rotel,
[mono block's and pre ] I have some early Japanese Hyundai audio,
which was very good and still holds it's own. And there's a few other
peices, but what I have will see me out, it not going to fall apart a
week after the warrenty dies.
My son, the engineer and electronic physics phd candidate
deals with a plethora of people who have spent way too much
on their equipment. He knows the truth. My equipment is
far better than the vast majority of it. So go ahead and
spend spend spend. It won't buy you the quality you seek.
Only a good ear and a willingness to avoid the hype like the
plague will get you to audio nirvana. I'm the sound man for
a band right now. I'm the guy that you guys are all trying
to emulate with your mega buck systems. I've sold lots of
concert videos and audios where even my mobile equipment
satisfies the masses. Music wasn't built on snobbery. It
was built on good ears and creativity.
**** your son is a sound engineer, I would suggest your son does not
have a clue when it comes to quality audio, and simply understands
the retric of "DOOF DOOF'' Go into a quality audio shop hear some
decent audio, and you will be converted forever, or are you one of
those strange people who thinks "BOSE" are wonderful .
As for speaker design, look at any Chinese audio factory , the MDF,
goes in the back door, goes thought a computer controlled saw, then into
automatic JIG's , Staple, staple, staple, gets a coat of liquid glue,
some plastic veneer, and out the front door as a speaker cabinet. They
can knock out something like 10000 a day. it's a bit like Jerry cans in
the last war, total cost was something like 4 cents a can.
The guy's in the next factory are busy feeding machines that produce
speaker drivers, same thing, quantity over quality, Sure there cheap,
but are they any good,
bassett