[Trevor Wilson[_2_]]

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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On Dec 19, 4:22 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
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On Dec 18, 11:30 pm, Jenn wrote:
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Bret Ludwig wrote:

On Dec 18, 7:01 pm, George M. Middius cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net wrote:
The population of South Africa is greater than the population of
Australia. The whites are outnumbered. This is a call to arms!

Australia is a benighted land full of really poisonous snakes and
spiders and huge crocodiles, but worse, its population is full of
liberal weak mindedness.

Nah, it's the land of one of the most interesting composers of the
20th
century.

Actually there are many remarkable Australian activities and
products. I'm told the best piano in the world today is made there.
But the trend politically there defies any intelligent explanation.

**That makes you a complete idiot. Let me explain why Australians voted
the
way they did (Howard, being the ousted, conservative [Republican]PM and
Rudd, being the new, liberal [Democrat] PM):

* Howard aligned himself with the planet's dumbest leader (George W Bush)
and has spend billions of taxpayer Dollars on Dubya's war in Iraq, thus
placing valuable resources and military personel at risk for no good
reason.

There is a good point. Australia has no dog in that fight. There is
never going to be democracy in Iraq, and indeed it was in the interest
of most everyone to leave Hussein in there.

**Except the Iraqis, the Kurds and most everyone else of course.


* Howard has been actively attempting to dismantle two of the nation's
most
important health system pillars. These are renowned the world over, for
reducing the cost to patients of drugs and health care, whilst
maintaining a
high standard for all Australians. Howard has been attempting to emulate
the
US system, where the big winners are large medical corporations.

A return to the system that worked in America-fee for service out of
pocket-will be painful to emulate but in the long run necessary.

**Bull****. Your ignorance of the reality of the situation is duly noted.
Points:

* The PBS is a system which examines important drugs, which are often
life-saving. The PBS panel consists of doctors, phamacists and other
experts. The PBS decides which drugs are useful and which are not. Those
that are genuinely useful are given a stauts which allows Australians to
obtain them at low cost. The government deals with the drug companies and
negotiates a price which is strictly related to the drug's efficacy.
Australians will typically pay far less for a life-saving drug (which may be
manufactured in the US) than US citizens do. The Australian government pays
far less than US institutions for such drugs, due to the tough guidelines
and bulk purchasing power. Other nations have adopted the Australian model.
It is efficient and provides the most benefit at the lowest cost.
* Australia's national health system operates at a cost of approximately 9%
of GDP. In the US, the mostly privatised system costs the nation in excess
of 15% GDP and rising. Private health companies must make profits in order
to pay shareholders. Governments don't. Therefore the costs are lower. I've
read that the government controlled part of the US medical system operates
on around 0.25% of income. No private company could operate at such low
overheads.



* The Howard government has resisted the adoption of a Republican model
for
Australia (though the majority of Australias no longer want the Queen of
England as Australia's head of state).

QEII has been a good monarch, although her progeny surely will not. I
think the BNP recognize this.

**The Queen is completely irrelevant to Australia and has been so for
decades.



* Howard resisted signing the Kyoto Protocol.

A good idea.

**Nope. A bad idea. Anthropogenic global warming is a reality and needs to
be addressed.


* Howard consistently claimed the there was no global warming.
* When presented with irrefutable evidence that global warming was
occuring,
Howard then claimed that it was not anthropogenic in nature.

It largely is not.

**Got some proof of that?


* Howard was perceived (correctly, as it happens) as being completely out
of
touch with Australians.

That may say one of two things.

**What?

Trevor Wilson