[Jenn]

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On Nov 12, 10:55 pm, Jenn wrote:
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Jenn's comment, "Well, it already happens in most places in CA"
seems a bit odd for a state with less than 1 in 10 getting any
music education.

As I clearly wrote, the question is extent, etc.

San Marcos has an extensive music program...
Its called the iPod. Independent study of course.

Almost all schools
have SOME music ed, but the state of it is pretty pitiful in most
districts.

Given the states performance in math,
english, and reading, music is not likely to see any resurgence
in the cirriculum anytime soon.

Given the shortsighted views of so many school boards, you are
probably
right, but it is encouraging when at least some politicians are
stirred
up.

Ready for vouchers? Let parents decide if they want to
support schools with music programs.

And English programs? And History programs?

State requirements must be met.

Not really:
1. A church related school can, for example teach that evolution is
false, even though it's in the state curriculum.

When they get the 3 Rs. they can worry about this stuff.

They don't have to wait. They can, for example teach "keeping the faith
through snake handling", the reading scores can suck, and still they get
the tax dollars.


2. It's in the state requirements that music and the other arts be
taught in every grade in every school, but we know that it's not.

You're gonna have to prove that one.
Maybe available to every grade, but not mandatory for every grade.

Sorry, I left out a word. It's mandatory in each K-6 grade, then
available to each grade after that. But of course, it really isn't.





Can't be any worse than our disaster of a public education
system.

The system isn't a disaster. It's a disaster in some places.

Systems that fail in some places are failed systems.

I meant to put quotes around "system". There isn't one system. So to
say that the system is a disaster is nonsense.

While you may consider each public school system separate the operate
with very similar operating systems. School boards, administrators,
union teachers, state approved curriculum and exit exams.

OK, so what would you change about those things to make it better?


The largest example of this "system", LA is a failure.
Many small examples are failures. Overall measure of all
the systems is a failure.

Then elect a good school board in SM and change things. If you can.


This system does not work given the challenges it
faces today. Isolate districts generally not faced with the
well documented challenges of others manage to perform.

So you agree that much of the cause of "failure" has nothing to do with
"they system"?




As I've
said before, it's easy to fix with some political will,

Yes the will to resist the corrupt teachers unions is lacking.

Other than vouchers and tenure, with what do you disagree with the
unions?

Carolyn Doggett has a radio voice that matches her name.
Her "resume" reads of a publicly funded (tax dollars to teachers
salaries to the union) political action committee.

Since Doggett became executive director in 1995, CTA led the successful fight
to
pass the statewide $13 billion school bond in 2002,

Awful!

launched an ongoing
campaign
to help our schools of greatest need in 2001,

The nerve!

defeated a well-financed
voucher
initiative in 2000, secured a new state program to reduce class sizes in the
kindergarten through third-grade levels,

Smaller class sizes? Bitch!

helped increase state education
funding,

Dang! She should have helped decrease it!


and greatly improved teachers' pensions.

Scandal!

During her tenure, CTA membership has swelled to more than 335,000 public
school
teachers, counselors, psychologists, and librarians.

Wow, she was successful at her job. Imagine that.

They work in the more
than
1,000 chapters that comprise what's also the largest professional employee
organization in California.

These people should be banned from lobbying state gov't as their (sic) tax dollar
funded.

lol