On Oct 18, 10:24 pm, "ScottW" wrote:
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On Oct 17, 4:28 pm, ScottW wrote:
On Oct 17, 2:03 pm, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
wrote:
On Oct 16, 11:11 pm, "ScottW" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in
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On Oct 16, 10:28 pm, "ScottW" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in
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On Oct 16, 9:28 pm, "ScottW" wrote:
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I am aware of many things, 2pid. The difference is that those
things I
am aware of matter.
So that explains why you ignored the Middiots pleas....
on him, we agree.
As we do on a national health care plan, pulling the troops out of
Iraq, raising taxes, and so on.
I knew it: you're really a Liberal.
I am.... of the Kennedy democrat type.
Nah. You'd need a much larger world view than you seem capable of.
Kennedy's views on Cuba and Vietnam were so
worldly and successful....Lol.
What was "unsuccessful" or "unwordly"about Kennedy Cuba?
Lets see...after the Bay of Pigs fiasco....Castro offers to talk to
Kennedy
and you want to give him credit for thinking about it.
That's deep and wordly and deep....
Here's the incompetence rampant in their planning...
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/index.html
(note your site...different page)
President Kennedy and his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, on
March 2, 1963, in which they discuss concerns that a Senate
investigating committee might reveal that the president had authorized
jets from the U.S. aircraft carrier Essex to provide one hour of air
cover for the brigade's B-26 bombers on the morning of April 19. The
unmarked jets failed to rendezvous with the bombers, however, because
the CIA and the Pentagon were unaware of a time zone difference
between Nicaragua and Cuba. Two B-26s were shot down and four
Americans lost.
LIVES LOST OVER A TIME ZONE DIFFERENCE....
GMAFB.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB103/index.htm
And what was "unwordly" about Kennedy's Vietnam approach, which kept
the US's military commitment to a minimum?
Not a big enough bang for
you?
"At the time of the Kennedy and Diem assassinations, there were 16,000
military advisers in Vietnam.
This is your minimum? At the start of Kennedy they were 500.
And at the end of Johnson there were one million.
Kennedy oversaw a greater than 30 fold increase.
Kennedy started the escalation... Johnson continued it.
You seem to imply that Johnson's escalation was a continuation of
Kennedy's policy. You'd be wrong, as usual.
Typical unsubstantiated claims on your part.
Johnson followed the natural progression of a failed Kennedy policy.
BZZZZZZZZT
If Kennedy had truly kept a lid on Vietnam, Johnson would never
have had the opportunity to do what he did.
BZZZZZZZT
Remember, it was Kennedy who said,
"Now we have a problem making our power credible and
Vietnam looks like the place"
Remember, this was Kennedy:
"Kennedy's policy towards South Vietnam rested on the assumption that
Diem and his forces must ultimately defeat the guerrillas on their
own. He was against the deployment of American combat troops and
observed that "to introduce U.S. forces in large numbers there today,
while it might have an initially favorable military impact, would
almost certainly lead to adverse political and, in the long run,
adverse military consequences."[53]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam...0.E2.80.931963
Sending advisors isn't "committing the military", 2pid. Kennedy was
against that. The quotes you chose, as usual, run counter to the
'point' you are trying to make.
You haven't read _Dereliction of Duty_ yet, have you.
It was Kennedy who approved the coup and execution of Diem.
"The CIA was in contact with generals planning to remove Diem. They
were told that the United States would support such a move. President
Diem was overthrown and executed, along with his brother, on November
2, 1963. When he was informed, Maxwell Taylor remembered that Kennedy
"rushed from the room with a look of shock and dismay on his
face."[58] He had not approved Diem's murder."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam...0.E2.80.931963
It was Kennedy who sent the Green Berets to Vietnam as "advisors".
Yup. See above. Do you think people would be as upset about the war in
Iraq if we had 16,000 troops and a few planes there? That's not even a
division at full strength.
It was Kennedy who sent in the helicopters and created a joint
US - South Vietnames Air Force.
Yup. See above.
It was Kennedy who admitted he didn't know how to get out of
Vietnam.
It was bushie who didn't admit that he didn't know how to get out of
Iraq. So what? This does not improve your position of Kennedy as the
great escalator of that war. That was Johnson. This is actually an
indication that counters your 'point'.
Kennedy gets crowned for being executed..if history judged
him by his policies...he gets condemned.
Only by you, 2pid, and you've already strongly implied that you don't
believe in juries.