Andre Jute wrote:
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Patrick Turner wrote:
Cat haters often hate women, police, tourists, back-packers, the taxman,
public servants, and have tattoos and a criminal record.
Like Bret Ludwig's friends in the Folsome:
Bret Ludwig wrote:
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Oh Dear, I think I have to add what I forgot:-
Cat haters also hate gays, lesbians, muslims, jews, hippies, leftists,
greenies and all other minority
groups. Most cat haters hardly like anyone.
THEREFORE, the zombietime image referred to above as a friend of Bret
isn't a very
good example of a cat hater. Most happy nice mannered harmless
un-tattoed cock sucking gay guys
as shown in the above .jpg image quite like pussy providing it has 4
legs.
The feminine side of their personality allows some mental bond with the
feline mind, or cat mind.
Bret might not be your choice for r.a.t man of the year award, but
methinks its a trifle over the top to allege too much about his friends.
Although completely hetero myself, I have nothing against gays per se,
And if the world had 50% gay folks, the population growth would be
nicely slowed right down
and the greenhouse effect might be less likely to sweep our species away
during the next hundred years.
THE FULL EXCHANGE FOLLOWS
On Oct 11, 9:43 am, Patrick Turner wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
Snip for brevity,
The last cat I had lived 18 years and only got
one bird,
and never another after I showed serious disapproval. She went on to be
quite a good ratter and mouser.
Our cats are kept in at night and only let out into the garden in
daytime. If they catch a bat or anything, we express severe
displeasure.
When I had a cat, or two, they preferred being inside at night.
I detest all wild rabbits, horses, camels, donkeys, buffalo, dogs foxes
and pigs etc, etc which were not native to Oz.
Neither are people, of course. The aborigines came from Asia, the
white folk from Europe.
Well one could say that, and then say nobody is native to anywhere.
Are the Irish natives to Ireland?
There is evidence habitation by Homo Sapiens in Oz began about
3 ice ages ago, or 60,000 years.
Everyone comes from somewhere, and "nativeness" is an expression of the
length
of time one's ancestors have lived nearby.
The Europeans who came to settle in Oz are the invaders, and non native
peoples.
I do not imply anything moral or political by saying that, but
nature is nature, and because of the tendency of mankind to wander about
for
one reason or another, white folks gathered here from crowded Europe and
wanted more space.
As i see it, everyone in the world has equal rights to land, air, sea,
water, forest and every damn thing.
The natives of any land don't have any special rights.
( this is a mightily abused idea used to justify all sorts of wars and
mahem )
So where you have a land nearly the size of the US, and an almost
invisible population,
it was only natural for white folks who had lived in crowded places
elsewhere to arrive and say
"Move over buster! I'm movin in!!"
Locals rarely like moving or changeing, or sharing, so out comes the
gun, poison for the waterholes,
and bang bang! "get the message now?"
The Australian Aboriginies are still mightily upset how "their" land was
robbed from them,
and how their numbers were decimated by white folk's diseases and white
hunting parties.
White folks have a lot to be ashamed about.
Occasionally we see rumours of some very large cats out there in the
bush of Oz, wild pumas
that could easily kill a large kangaroo, or a sheep, maybe cattle and
horses a but nobody has ever got a good video.
I drove all the way around the coast of Australia once and in six
months saw remarkably few animals except of course the kangaroos.
Most Oz animals are shy retiring types.
Search for a platypus, and you'll never see one driving around Oz.
One has to go bush, camp silently awhile, and then you begin to see the
remnants
of Oz fauna.
There used to be 20dB more fauna. Oz has the record for exterminating
"native" species.
The rabbits have been a very serious pest and have been in plague
numbers....
They live miserable lives and die in pain, and maybe its a wedgetailed
eagle that finalizes their life.
There are some hares in a lane up here that play chicken with my bike.
Trying to shoot 47 cats in 2 minutes is obviously a silly brag.
More like an hour would be needed to do the deed, unless you had a
machine gun.
When you think how much agony feral cats cause in the lives of other
animals,
if they don't die instantly, its not a major worry.
Australia may have a problem with feral cats, and no doubt the proper
authorities will deal with it humanely.
There is NO nationally successful program to rid Oz of any of its pests
including cats.
Diseases were invented for the rabbits, and myxomotosis wiped out
millions of rabbits;
they died horrible slow deaths. Then resistance bred up.
Calcivirus has suposedly been successful, but parts of where I ride have
huge infestations of
rabbits in huge wild warrens, a true fox's delight, except its all
within 4kM of the city centre
and traffic mows down the foxes...
Cane toads are a major pest in the north, killing any animal who eats
one.
There is no proof that there
is a plague of feral cats where Bret Ludwig lives. On hand of his free
and easy way with other people's property, I would not be surprised if
he just shoots people's pet cats and tries to pretend they're feral to
cover up his crimes.
I have no good idea about what sort of situation exists around Bret.
There is a devil in all of us, and sometimes the less you know of it,
the better it is.
I am at r.a.t for the vacuum tubes, and I really can't know how many cat
haters are around.
Lord Valve has nothing good to say of felines, but so what? I don't feel
a need to
wage a war of words against man who hates cats.
Snip for brev...
There are of course the cat haters who hate ALL cats, and
cannot make the distinction between a feral cat that kills many wild
animals to survive,
and someone's dear old pet that isn't to blame for anything, as the cats
I owned in the past were.
Ludwig to a T.
Perhaps.
One can rave on about who kills what, but frankly the worldwide
slaughter of people
in wars and in unjust regimes at present is somewhat more important than
a few cats.
Get a grip, Patrick. Five or six *thousand* cats, by the scumball Bret
Ludwig's own account? How long before he starts shooting people, do
you think?
I have no idea. Why get upset about Bret? George Bush leaves anything
Bret allegedly does in the shade.
George went and stole a whole ****in nation full of
hard-to-get-along-with-muslims.
He did it for all of us, you, and me, to secure the remaining dwindling
oil supply.
He lied to us while he stole the nation of Iraq. Ppl in the west will
eventually forgive him,
as long as he can't be blamed for starting WW3, or something that might
worry US folks just a little bit,
like sending up oil prices by 12dB.
Millions of muslims won't forgive or forget George, and because of
George's interference with a well functioning
ruthless disgusting dictatorship, thousands of extra Iraqis have died,
and 4 millions moved out
of their own country to others to live as refugees in povety.
George makes Bret look like a saint.
I once intervened in a domestic argument between a couple I shared house
with.
"For goodness sake" I asked, "why ague over 3 lousy dollars? pick an
argument
over something worthwhile, $300 at least..."
Astonishingly, they both looked at me, then each other, and shut up.
Not to mention human road deaths, and pll shootinmg other ppl.
But there is no excuse for sadism and cruelty.
I note that some parties on RAT are clustering protectively around
Ludwig, as if to say, it doesn't matter that he is a bully, a thief
and a sadist, he's into tubes.
Everything matters Andre. But you cannot change people.
The best one can hope for is that they see your point at least.
Copyright abuse won't change unless the abusers are chased after
with legal powers. That won't be me.
I have not the time to conduct campaigns against ppl I find whose habits
are not perfect.
That's crap, of course. Ludwig is just
another bully, thief and sadist, a cat torturer who should be
incarcerated.
I would indeed have a truly miserable life if I went around
trying to change the world. Its a largely very evil place.
I have no idea what all my customers get up to in their daily lives.
One customer recently murdered his father. He'd been a schizophrenic for
25 years
and had been on medications since 1983 when he would have been about 20.
In his attempt to "go sraight" and do it right, normal, without the mind
numbing
drugs, he of course didn't see his own demon, and in a brief rage
stabbed his father
25 times with a kitchen knife. He washed the knife carefully, and put it
back in the drawer.
His old mother, now a widow, was truly traumatized....
Should I have had no dealings with this man? Trade is just trade.
I once worked for a guy building a house who mentioned one day how much
he loved his daughter
of 13, and how he liked to talk to her sitting on her bed....
Months after I'd finished the job that girl's suicide was reported in
the local newspaper.
I thought it likely that he'd been rooting his daughter, and perhaps
that's why she quit life.
But I couldn't be certain.
snip f b...
We had a huge vegetable garden, and 140 grape vines from which my dad
made 100 gallons of plonk in a good year.
He'd start a trench at one end and dump the bodies in each few days, dig
more trench and bury the days offerings.
Over about 7 years he filled the acre block. No wonder the ground was so
fertile.
And it all helped to pay for my Christian education.
I like the wine better than the crematiorium!
My father was a trained professional but he didn't study modern vigneron
practices where chemistry is such a large part. He made wine along the
trial and error
method. We lived where 100 inches of rain per annun wasn't unusual,
and most of it fell just before and after grape picking time.
So his wines were pretty awful, sour, maybe all the dead cats and dogs
in the underworld
are laughing at him.....
Two bottles of his plonk plus a joint were enough to render me quite
insane for a few hours.
I was told by someone, "Don't come back here with that bottled ****in
poison,
and do try to behave better in future if you do come back!"
The someone was a wild person himself, so I musta been quite over the
top.
But never agressive, just a fuknidiot.
OK. I never drank too much again.
And I didn't.
How I stayed alive on the Harley D I had at the time remains a complete
mystery.
sfb,
Of course that kind of method isn't tolerated today either; the animal
must be aneasthetized.
But aneasthetic was expensive....
Reminds me of the farm boy describing the two brick method of
heifering young bulls to a sweet young thing in the city.
"But doesn't it hurt?" she asked compassionately.
"Only if you don't keep your thumbs clear," he said.
You think he got lucky that night?
I think you have it wrong; the two brick method was used in Syria to
make eunuchs
to guard the harem.
The word eunuch comes from "you knock two bricks together onto dangling
testicles
and Allah performs a miracle".
Don't give Ludwig any ideas.
He's more than capable of dreaming up his own ideas...
Patrick Turner.
Andre Jute