On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:32:37 +0000, outsor wrote:

" However, not one has been found who can do this when they don't *know*
what is connected, so your 'respect' is rather misplaced.

Gads...we've missed the point, as always....it is not "knowing what
is connected"..it is about one cable sounding a bit better or worse
than another. Simple issue, but hard to grasp?"

It is about knowing, more important how we know what we know; gads. If
one tests you and you hear a difference in wire and then by putting a
cloth over the wire connections you are no longer able to do better then
random, we now know something; gads. What we know we now know is that the
perception of difference is directly related to knowledge of which wire is
connected; gads. We then are justified to deduce that the "better/worse"
is produced in the brain and not in the properties of the wire; gads. If
we in fact know something else in that instance, please do tell us that we
may grasp; gads.

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Whoa!...drop back, punt, reset!!
(And also a few "Gads").

The goal here is to be able to select a wire that might have some
redeeming characteristics to those listening. Firstly, we want to
allow the mental "ear-brain" process to isolate just which
wire seems to have certain "better" characteristics...and do
this without any "clutter" regarding brand recognition in the
in the initial listening period. (This is a major harping point
with the hard-line "all is the same" objectivist.)

Then, after that mental process tends to lean to a particular
wire, one will normally find out which brand name it carries.
...not the other way around!! It is the other way around
that bothers those brethern of ours of the Objectivist tilt!
...I understand some of their objections in this scenario!
It is on this point that they will tend to lead you into a
"Semantic" jungle with worlds like "bias", etc. Perhaps,
the word should be "prejudice"..to pre-judge, your mind
is made up..this fits better!

Now..this was not meant to be confusing. Perhaps not
difficult to...gulp! Grasp. Sorry the "grasp" offended anyone
deeply. Not intended to do that!

I did not understand most of the "what we know is now we
know what we know" but, I think I got the gist of it. The above
explanation should clear up some of my thoughts on this matter.

Understand, the listening scenario I suggested is not to
imply I could pick out a wire by name brand...however,
in the quiet listening space of my own audio system I
can detect which cable fits best in that audio environment..
..in the intial stages..the brand is not a factor. Naturally
I would need to know that, should I desire to go to a
vendor to purchase it. Grasp that the initial stage of this
scenario is the important one...not attaching a vendor
name to the wire.

Leonard...

P.S. I'm in the process of assisting with the beta testing
of an upgrade to an OS and in this case to the
newsreader..which does not have a spell checker
and I have noted some issues with the rewrap
line manipulator. So bare with me if this all comes
out a little ragged.