[Mitchell Holman]

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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:10:43 -0500, dave weil
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:36:57 -0400, "CB" wrote:


"nebulax" wrote in message
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"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the
NRA! What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...ico/main269814
1.shtml



The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will
have to carry out dirt deeds!

It's not the gun you ass, it's the criminal mind that puts thought into
action

Yesterday, one of the major proponents of Right To Carry laws was on
CNN once again during Virginia Tech coverage claiming that people
packing guns kept the crime rate down, if teachers were allowed to be
toting handguns things like this wouldn't happen, blah, blah, blah.
His major claim was that the crime rate dropped everywhere Right To
Carry laws were instituted. So I decided to do a quick survey and it
turns out that yes, crime rates have dropped in those states. However,
crime has dropped roughly the same rate in the two states that still
don't have any concealed carry laws at this date, Illinois and
Michigan. Crime has generally been dropping since the mid-80s whether
or not concealed carry laws have been put on the books.

He also trotted out one of those occasions where vigilanties prevented
crime. Well, with 12,000 plus gun-related murders a year, and
something like 30,000 gun deaths of all kinds a year, I'm not sure if
it really matters that a handful of lives have been saved by some
amateurs lucky enough not to have killed bystanders or themselves.

'handful' my ass. Most estimates put it at over 1,000,000 per
year. Of course, they can ONLY be SWAG's because, by the nature of
the situations, 90 % + of them go unreported. There's an attempted
mugging or rape in a dark parking garage, the CCW holder shows his/her
gun, attacker runs away, CCW holder gets in car and drives off. No
shots fired, no police report, no statistics. Or Home-owner sees
someone lurking around the bushes, peering in the windows, etc, goes
outside with his/her gun and chases them off. No shots fired, no
police report, no statistics.

What it comes down to is the RIGHT ( not 'priviledge' ) of
self defense. Our entire legal system is founded on the concept of
'protection of the rights of the innocent', even when they have the
undesired effect of protecting the rights of the guilty. Our entire
legal system is based on the concept of 'better that 10 guilty men go
free than that one innocent man goes to jail'. The same applies to
self-defense - it is not acceptable for even one person to be stripped
of their RIGHT to self-defense, regardless of whether there are
criminals in society who find in that a way to twist it to their
advantage.


So Cho was just exercising his "right to self defense"
when he walked on to campus with all those guns?