[paul packer]

On 17 Jan 2007 08:26:24 -0800, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:


paul packer wrote:
On 17 Jan 2007 00:43:04 -0800, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:

Packer already capitulated and stated he's not against gays marrying. I
don't sense that from you, which is fine, but then please restate the
above argument so that it reflects your logic.

That's no capitulation but a re-statement of the position I've held
all along--I consider it a non-issue. I just wonder why gays even care
about such an outmoded "straight" institution.

Incidentally, I was thinking about the apparent contradiction in the
word "tolerance" as defined by conservatives and liberals.
Conservatives view it--and I know I do--as meaning letting people do
what they want without interference; letting them be themselves.
Liberals seem to demand more, namely, a measure of approval. In short,
if I say that I disapprove of homosexuality but would not interfere
with homosexuals or even express my disapproval aloud, I'm branded a
bigot---it seems my quiet disapproval is unacceptable and I should
take a more approving stance to be truly progressive. Well, I reject
that. I have a right to disapprove, as I have a right to maintain my
own set of values. So I reject any demand to express approval of what
I do not approve of.

Nice strawman, Paul.

Say, do you think that homosexuality is a choice someone makes, like
choosing what color to dye your hair?

Nope. Generally speaking you bring it with you.

You must, or you could not 'disapprove' of someone being gay in the
first place, quiet or otherwise. Either that or disapproving of
someone's skin color or gender makes as much sense.

First of all, I don't disapprove of someone being gay. Remember my
quote befo "It's not what one is, it's what one does with it." What
I disapprove of is promiscuity, impropriety and generally
inappropriate or anti-social behaviour in anyone, gay or straight.
However I've said that already and you apparently missed it.

So the question is this: if being gay is a choice, then how do we
cure/help those that have gone down the path which you know to be wrong
(or else why would you 'disapprove')? We should be helping these
people, don't you agree?

Come on, Shhhh!. You've gone six steps ahead of yourself--and me. Back
up and come right.

If it is not a choice, then how do you reconcile your 'disapproval' of
gays (because that would be like 'disapproving' of women or blacks or
people with moles)?

Answer above. No disapproval of the fact of being gay. (Stupid word).

In any case I do disapprove of people with moles. It's disgusting.

And you find it odd that some might call you intolerant?

Read my answers again. Do you find it odd that some call you dyslexic?
:-)