[Harry Lavo]

"Here in Ohio" wrote in message
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On 14 Nov 2006 23:25:26 GMT, "Harry Lavo" wrote:

"Here in Ohio" wrote in message
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On 12 Nov 2006 15:38:38 GMT, "c. leeds" wrote:


Sounds like over-priced crap to me. As I said in another post, try
some cables from Blue Jeans if you want
higher-quality cables.

That's a subjective judgment, and not proof of nabob's claim that
Monster is "junk" and "snake-oil."

No, it's an objective observation. I can readily get an idea of the
cost of the components that Blue Jeans uses, and I have a very good
idea of their production methods and tooling.

Blue Jeans uses very high-quality components and their production
methods and tooling are superb.

I've taken a few Monster ICs apart, and they were on the "soldering
iron and electrical tape" level of production methods. It looked like
typical cheap crap made somewhere in China.

Yes, and you could wear Blue Jeans to the next Presidential Ball.

But a tuxedo would be more appropriate.

If somebody has several thousand dollars involved in a good system, and
wants to spend $35 a cable for Monster as opposed to $10 a cable for some
lesser brand, because they seem to be better built and look and sound
good,
and might sound better, what skin is it off your back?

And if somebody spends $50,000 on a system and feels he needs $200 cables
to
match that quality, what skin is it off your back?

I don't care unless they start claiming that Monster Cable stuff is
superior when it objectively is not.

A preference, stated experience, or an opinion is not a "claim". A "claim"
is presented as fact for scientific evaluation or verification, and you are
in no position to do so....unless you want to go to his house, use his gear,
set up an abx test using white noise, and "prove" to him that he can hear no
difference. And even then, you can only prove this case...his ears, his
test signal and equipment, this test.

You cannot legitimately from this claim that Monster is fraudulent...because
you don't know that somebody, somewhere might hear a difference on an abx
test, using their equipment, and using white noise.

You cannot prove a "negative" on a universal basis using abx. Not if you
are a true scientist or statistician.

I even pointed out a rational alternative if people need "higher
quality."

Blue Jeans is selling you a quality product for a reasonable price.
Too many of the other vendors are selling you mostly advertising and
smoke and mirrors.

That's your preference based on your evaluation of the competing brands.
Fine to make the recommendation. Not fine to insist any other choice is
invalid for the prospective purchaser.


Monster's out of spec connectors that damage things makes it even
worse.

It's really easy to then simply state that Monster sells over-priced
crap. But don't mind me, go ahead and buy their crap if you like it.

As long as you state it as your opinion. But you should also note that as
you state it just above, it is also a put-down.