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The Un-Kerry: Meet John O'Neill, the Vietnam vet who once
debated
John
Kerry
on The Dick Cavett ShowFreeRepublic.com
"A Conservative News Forum"

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I guess serving in the military is bad according to the Bush
campaign.

I don't think so. I think trotting out one's service in the
miltary
when you've fought in a war you despised is a bit odd.

One does not preclude the other.

It's even more odd when all the Democrats seem to be syaing you
can't
challenge his patriotism because he was a war hero.

No, you shouldn't challenge his patriotism just because he
objected to
the Vietnam war.

It doesn't strike you as odd that the current Democrat part is made
up
of
people who overwhelmingly oppsed the Viet Nam war, but have a
decorated
vetran of that war as their
persumtive nominee?

No, it doesn't. If you remember, Kerry opposed the war and
demonstrated
against it when he returned from serving his country.

Carter also served in the military.

Why are some Republicans called "chickenhawks"?

Because Democrat Politicans are pigs?
Because it's easier than debating issues?

Wrong. It's fundamental to the hypocrisy of smearing someone who served
in the military.

I think my version is more accurate.

The war hero and military service part simply
strengthens this point.

Only if it's as he's reported it. That seems somewhat clouded now.

Nope. Partisan smears don't change the facts, the service record or
the
decorations.

Partisan smears are what the Democrats love, well that and raising
taxes.

Careful. That knee's jerking something fierce.

Simply a matter of historical record. You do remember who came up with the
Willy Horton ads, don't you? Then there's the Democrat ad with the little
girl running though
the field and the mushroom cloud, that they ran against Goldwater. Or our
own form asshole
in chief here in California, Who has run some of the nastiest smear ads in
the history of modern politics.

And lies, I almost forgot the lies.

Did you leave the radio on again?

Radio, TV, print media, it doesn't matter, you can here them everywhere.
My personl favorite is the calling increases, cuts. This is very simply the
way Democrats work.
They don't like facts, they get in the way of controlling the power.

Oh, yeah and pork barrel spending.

Best to line the pockets of the rich directly.

Best to allow people to keep what they earned. Best to allow an atmosphere
where jobs are created and the people that want them can find them.

Oops almost forgot hypocrisy.

Good spelling! Points off for reflexive name-calling.

Points off for being distracted by something not relevant.

But it's fair to challenge Bush on his miltary service?
If that's fair then going after Kerry's service in Viet Nam and his
subsequent avtivities after, are fair game.

I'll take that dare anyday. Bush asked not to be assigned overseas.

Yhat's a new one on me. If he didn't want to go overseas
being a pilot in the reserve was a bad move.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributor...Sheet_BUSH.jpg

Note that an overseas options was not selected, although the
"volunteer/not volunteer" boxes have been redacted.

I don't see that at all, it is ALL redacted.

It isn't a bad move if one doesn't intend to fulfill one's commitment.

And you are a mind reader?

Bush
let his flight status lapse.

I seem to recall there being more to that story.

That's right: he dodged his first medical exam that included drug
testing.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/02/06/drugs/

An opinion piece, proving nothing.

Bush left his service early, even if one
grants that he served at all.

And Kerry left VN after 4 months, your point?

I believe he was authorized to do so, unlike Bush.


He requested it.

Coverups for Bush,
None.

http://archive.salon.com/politics/wa...l?day=20040211

Follow the link to the Dallas Morning News, which requires registration.

Thanks but no thanks, I won't even do that for a local paper.

Lots of things get reported in the papers. That doesn't make them true.

smears on Kerry. Kerry wins.
Not likely. Not if he hasn't captured more attention and favor
by now.

I think when there are such questions as those raised by both
O'Neil
and
Kerry deserve to be investigated.

Vietnam war crimes? I don't expect that to happen soon, maybe
after
the
9/11 commission finishes its job.

Shouldn't they have been investigated when he admitted to them?
I'd say it's way overdue.

The political and military leadership knew what was going on in
Vietnam.
Only if Kerry's version is true.

No other possibility?

Kerry has declared himself to be a war criminal.

If you twist his words hard enough, that is.

No twisting at all, he flat out admitted to war crimes, or was it
atrocities?

Collectively. To call him a war criminal is twisting his words.

It's restating them but keeping it in context.

Twisty, twist, twist. He blamed "The United States of America," that is,
all of us, collectively.

That's a nice way of denying responsibility for one's own actions.
IIRC he was against the war before he enlisted, but enlisted because it
would look good on his resume.