In this country you do need the south to win, because of the electoral
college.

We've proved through Al Gore that you just needed one measily
non-southern state like Arizona, Nevada, Utah, West Virginia (a toss
up this year, BTW), Ohio, gosh the list is endless....southern states
make up, without examining the map, no more than 100-150 electoral
votes. Also, the South gets more progressive with each passing year
as more Northerners move there, as they assimilate into the population
without assimilating their backwards philosophies...it is an
inevitability.


Disdain for the general public noted. The will be the ones voting, you
know.


It's a shame, because the truly notable ones like Kucinich,

Kucinich???? You've got to be kidding.


Better than the insecure, rich, privileged, secret society folks
running neck and neck for the WH at this point (Kerry/Bush). He grew
up from a poor family, and we haven't had a humbled president like
this person since Truman.

Dean, and
Edwards will be placed in the shadows of lesser men like Kerry and
Bush.

It's very hard for me to decide which of them is lesser than the other.
Which one lies the least?


I heard Webster is making GW Bush and lies synonymous with each other.
For being born again, he's an awful one.

They also believe that
nationalism=patriotism. Hitler LOVED his country, but no one ever
calls him a patriot.

He loved power.

He loved Germany. He wanted to take care of his Aryan nation. "He
loved power" is about as glib and pithy as you can get.


Castro too.
That's why his people have no free speech and the newest car is from
1957.

No wonder we as a country are the
laughing stock of the world.

The people laughing, aren't they the same people you just said aren't
too
smart?


WTF? The people laughing are the Europeans and the Canadians.

Who cares? When they get the right to vote here, I'll start worrying.
There are no countries in Europe I'd rather live in.


Spoken like a true isolationist. Good for you. If Canada turned off
the natural gas spicket, we'd all freeze to death. Canada needs
NOTHING that desperately from us.

If you
haven't noticed it, they're the ones who are smarter than us.

That's why they're all so rich, right?


Rich and intelligence are NOT synonyms with each other. Any idiot can
become a millionare. People like Don Lapre, Martha Stewart, and
George W Bush can attest to this.

They
are the ones getting 5-7 weeks vacation/year instead of our measly 2
weeks worth.

At what cost?


Better overall standard of living (as per The Economist) which gets
better every year with the skyrocketing cost of energy and health care
in this country.

They are the ones watching our violent tendencies (most
murders and jailbirds per capita than ANY OTHER industrialized
country) and polarization within our citizens.

Comes with a free and open society.


There is not one industrialized country on this planet that isn't free
and open. You must be living in the 80's and thinking of the USSR,
Bulgarian, Romania, etc.

Conservatives think
liberals are crazy.

I don't know about that, I just think they are wrong and haven't learned the
lessons of history.

Liberals think conservatives are crazy.

It seems to me Liberals think Conservatives are EVIL.


I don't think Conservatives are EVIL. Only the left wing nuts think
that. I think they're pompous, stupid, and ignorant to the world
around them. Got a secret for you...people like Falwell and Robertson
think liberals are evil.

They are
the ones watching the middle class falter. They are the ones watching
our country run up a debt we will NEVER be able to repay, and default
as an economy when all the baby boomers retire.

Nonsense, we recovered from the last deficit because of the Amrecian people
not because of the government, but in spite of it.

The Economist speaks to this effect, but notes that this time is
different. Asians are continuing to prop up this economy by
purchasing treasury notes while ignoring the risk scenerio, sustaining
our addiction to consuming cheap, inferior electronics from their
countries. The Asian market will eventually stop purchasing them, and
the bond yields will go through the roof. No one will invest in
America, because it will be too risky. We can be proud of our country
all we want, but the fact is that no one will care.


The dollar? In a few
years, it'll be worth 1/3 of a Euro shortly.

OSAF.

Inflation follows, a
housing market valuation nightmare, insolvency in personal financial
matters.

Where's the inflation?

Reference Asian market hedge above. Oh, and have you noticed the
following increases in price?

Health ca UP 10-15%
Energy: UP 5-10%
Car prices: UP double digits
Tuition: UP 5-10%

All well above inflation. Your average plasma TV may be going down in
price, but it does little good for people who live on necessities.
Inflation has happening already, knucklehead.

Unless you live in a bubble, you're getting ripped off too. I'm so
surprised you're not outraged by it.


Read The Economist (right-winged, BTW) and you'll get a
glimpse of our future.


Yes, the economically well-off are
ridiculed too. Stupid people as a group always are, regardless of
wealth.

According to what standard?


General standard, unless you speak to the rich (the minority) of
course.

It's the rich minority that make the middle class majority possible and they
are the ones the left is constantly trying to fleece. According to the IRS
you are rich if you make more than 60K a year. Does that seem accurate to
you?

The Democrats want to raise taxes for couple making $200K/year+. That
sounds rich to me. The definition of rich means nothing unless the
tax code/table is significantly different for people making $60K+


No. I believe thay any form of socialism is wrong.
I believe that self-interest is a good moral value and that creating
more
dependence on government is not in anyone's self interest.


Idealogical beliefs again. Moral relativism. It is the stigmas of
what most conservatives follow. Of course, it's idealogy and moral
relativism while it's convenient.

I don't think it's moral relativism, that's the province of the left. A
solid work ethic and a desire to get ahead are not relative values they are
simply values. Life is a value and the government should not be in the way
of living it.

Solid work ethic? CEOs lose money for their companies and get
bonuses. Martha Stewart broke the law, and right wingers support her
because she worked hard to get what she got. In the same breath,
they're shocked at seeing a tit on television and talk about the moral
decline of this country. Ashcroft pays $6,000 to cover up a statue's
breast. I see stupid people pretending to have a solid work ethic.
Reminded me of George from Seinfeld when he got promoted within the
organization by leaving his car overnight, making people think he's
been burning the midnight oil. I guess part of it is funny in a
tragic way, actually.


I guess the idealogy of civil
liberties can't be followed because we're in a war and we have to be
pragmatic, don't we?

Sometimes yes. The pendulum always swings back when the war is over. You
do recall who set up the internment camps.

Remember who was the pacifist and didn't want to invade Europe in
WWII, the anti-semite Republicans.


But, when a particular facet of an economy (i.e.
health care) should obviously be government subsidized in some matter,

Obvious to who? Where is there a right to the fruits of somebody else's
labor?

Ideology. I guess millions will die because of it. At least we won't
give up our principles. Stalin used to say that too.


political hacks like Robert Novak claim it's Marxism creeping into our
society. Socialism is a dirty word reactionaries like to throw around
for shock value.

No, it's just a dirty word. It causes more problems than it ever solves.

Sure it is.

Don't get me wrong. Capitalism is the best thing ever. But PURE
capitalism is as wrong as Marxism. Human beings are not compassionate
enough to survive in this manner. Human beings as a whole are not
intelligent enough yet to look out for each other, so pure capitalism
will never succeed, and as a result, will never be implemented.


No one else in the world reacts in the same
knee-jerk, Salem witch-burning fashion like the good ol' USA when it
comes to the welfare functions of an economy.

Good, it's one of the reasons we have the strongest country in the world.

Canada doesn't have too many homeless on the streets, despite their
high level of social welfare. Racism is also less rampant there, too.

No up there, at least in Quebec, it's languageism.


Quebec wanted to be no part of Canada for some time.

Let em go.

Then Canada won't have any more vices.


You were saying there was something bad about public dependency?

Is it better to work for a living or be on the dole?

There you go again. Idealogy.

Reality.

Idealogy.


Doesn't matter what you or anyone else
think is better or fair.

Then why have laws?

Laws


Life isn't fair as it stands (e.g. the
privileged white men who have a clean sweep of the WH 43 times in a
row). What matters is what is pragmatic. Pure capitalism hasn't
worked for the USA

It's never been tried.

Human beings are too selfish to survive in pure capitalism or
communism, as noted above.


recently (Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, the irony of a
Bermuda address to avoid taxation for Accenture while simulataneously
working on an IRS project, etc). Liberal capitalism implies a
sustained welfare state. Even a right-winged news magazine like The
Economist realizes that.

An opinion they get to have and one I disagree with.

Good for you.


Only reactionary fools who drool over faces
like Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, et al. don't.

I knew the name calling would come sooner or later.

You lose.

I win!