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On 2 Apr 2006 12:10:43 -0700, wrote:

About Dave Weil's technical expertise on turntables & audio, and his
cultural refinement..

DAVE ON TURNTABLES:

Dave Weil (aka "Garbage Boy") obsessively posted dozens and dozens of
messages defending his ignorance on turntable ground wires, and
attacking my knowledge of turntables. It all started, when I said that
I had not "in my experience", seen a turntable without a ground wire. I
neglected to mention that although I have owned many turntables in my
time, high end and not, I did not own and operate a turntable repair
shop; so did not have hundreds pass through my hands. I am,
nevertheless, a qualified expert at tuning suspended tables (Linn,
Gyrodek, Connoisseur, Systemdek, Heybrook etc), and disassembling,
reworking/redesigning tables like the Linn's, the Roksan's and
others (ie. classic Duals, high end Sony DD, etc). Within that frame of
reference, I did not recall seeing a deck that didn't have a ground
wire, for the simple fact that most don't. But in fact, I had a Rega
Planar 2 sitting in my closet that apparently doesn't (I've never
set up the deck, and still never bothered to check it's grounding
scheme, because I really don't care. Dave also tried to claim that I
was an ignorant fool, because I did not know that the Rega I had, which
I clearly told him I never looked at or used, did not have a ground
wire!). The point is that I qualified my statement as "in my
experience". Some rageaholic nutbar name of Trevor Wilson then jumped
on me for that, and kept removing the qualifier "in my experience", in
his virulent tirades against me. Dave Weil jumped in and says he
"defended me", by pointing out to Trevor that I did in fact qualify my
statement. Now here's where it gets interesting....

Later, after those dozens of obsessive messages from Dave, he now
removed the qualifier and claimed that I had said words to the effect
that "all turntables have grounding wires". This is basically what
I've come to know as "RAO-style TRUTH". Although Dave initially
corrected the first poster, he now deceitfully became "Trevor Wilson,
the Rageaholic Liar", obfuscating my quotes.
Dave's experience with turntables? Well, he never said. For all we
know, he has a Mickey Mouse record player, but it's in his kid's
room. We do know for certain, however, that he doesn't even know the
difference between a turntable grounding wire, and a grounding -strap-
(which is normally used for protecting sensitive chips, etc). Then,
when I and ScottW pointed out Dave's error on turntable grounding,
did he turn around and admit his error, as he had requested I do?
Garbage Boy?! Not on your life! Instead, the hypocritical liar
postured, backpedalled, scoured the net for hundreds of examples of
ground wires (NONE of which were sold with or designed for turntables),
tried to redefine the term "grounding STRAP" to make it look more like
a "grounding WIRE". And then finally, he denied ever having said that
turntables come with "grounding straps", and recently changed his tune
to "turntables have grounding wires". That's where the issue stood
until me now having clarified the whole battle from A to Z.

This is Dave Weil in a response to me, trying to mock me again by
deceitfully misrepresenting my comment about tt grounding wires, but
stupidly and without realizing it, mocking himself because he's
ignorant of the differences between grounding straps and grounding
wires (probably because he's never taken apart a tt in his life):

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From : dave weil
Date : Sat Mar 25 2006 10:11

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Tell us again how turntables don't have grounding straps

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DAVE ON CULTU

In another brilliant backpedalling manoeuvre to save face for his
ceaseless ignorant squawking on this newsgroup, Sander start dropping
hints to Dave over a Kurt Weill reference. Dave "pretended" he got the
reference, but it was clear to me and others that he only got it in
"hindsight". Dave argued that because he used the word "curt" in his
response to Sander, well even though it was not a name, had a "c"
instead of a "K", that Dave got Sander's reference to Kurt Weill.

Since Dave asserted that I lacked education for not getting his subtle
clues to cultural references (none of which was true), I decided to
prove that Dave was not the cultural expert he claimed himself to be,
to me and others. One day, Garbage Boy thought he'd be "clever" and
add another such cultural reference in a post to me ("Mack", which was
linked to Weill). In my response, I then linked a reference to the song
Mack The Knife, that Dave thought he was oh so clever to hint at, by
calling me "Mack" in his response. I wrote that Dave's words were
"tawdry". This was a reference to "Sukey Tawdry", a woman in a line in
Bobby Darin's version of the song "Mack The Knife". Just as with
Dave's reference to Sander's posts being "curt", my "tawdry" was
used in the same fashion, also had a lower case first letter, also
could be viewed as a name or an adjective. So it was no more difficult
to get than the hint Dave "claimed" he gave Sander, with his "curt"
reference. Not only that, but unlike Dave to Sander, I actually told
Dave there was a cultural clue hidden in my post for him to get. I then
told him 65 times later, about the cultural reference. Did the
culturally educated Dave Weil ever get my reference to Mack The Knife?
Hell no!

DAVE ON "CLASSICAL EDUCATION":

In a similar argument Dave brought up, he claimed that because I did
not get his references, and merely because I mentioned the words "Monty
Python", this meant I lacked a "classical education". And by
implication, that Dave did have one. (Otherwise, you'd have to be
QUITE the moron to call someone else is an ignoramus, while not denying
that you're an ignoramus as well). Well now.... THIS had to be
challenged! So I asked the brilliant, educated, culturally superior
Dave Weill, exactly who "Dr. James Parrington" was. He didn't know. I
then asked him about 65 times over, same question. He didn't know.
Did Dave, who implied he had a superior education, tell me that he had
never heard of Dr. James Parrington, and that his superior education
told him that no such person was well known for anything in science?
No, he didn't. He fudged, he fidgeted, he hid, he shut his big trap
whenever the question came out. Dave: The correct response would have
been: "Dr. WHO?". Because you see, there IS no "Dr. James Parrington"
fool. I completely made the name up. Nevertheless, researching the name
certainly gave the equally brilliant Mr. Westface something obsessive
to do with all of his free time. I did find it amusing though, that Mr.
Westface took the bait, and spent God knows how long researching the
reference, to come up with "Dr. John Parrington". Then, when I told him
"wrong name", he spent even more time on research, and actually came up
with a name that matched the name I made up: "James Parrington".
However, he wasn't a Dr..... Back to the drawing board! :-)

LESSON TO ALL RAO MEMBERS: The mockery and the ridicule that you so
casually attack others with could very well come back to bite you in
the ass, it has with Weil, Middius, Goofball, Westface, and many, many
others who's attacks I have returned. So in the end, it's pointless
and hypocritical of all of you.

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"Don't be too hard on yourself, Shovie. You can always take some
classes in
remedical English to improve your spelling ability. ;-)" - George
"Shovels" Middius

"Shovie has his own kind of spelling. It involves lots of perorations.
" - George "Shovels" Middius

Good doggie. Here, have a Snausage.