On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:12:54 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
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"dave weil" wrote in message
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:14:25 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:27:57 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

Have you forgotten Altamont already?

At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

BTW, this wasn't the equivalent of the Super Bowl anyway.

I know. I was just making a point.

Well, usually when one makes a "point", there's something behind it.

The World Cup is, however.

Well, next time someone is murdered at the final World Cup match,
you're free to bring it up as the end of Civilization As We Know It.

And Britain maintains a "soccer terrorist" list denying citizens the
right to travel
abroad during these competitions. The same will apply this year in
Portugal
for Euro 2004.

And yet, we are fingerprinting countless people who are visiting the
US. So what?

And unlike our friend Lionel who was spinning, the Brits aren't the only
one
in on the action. The Irish, Turks, Italians and a few Germans.

Hell, a Mexican guy shot and killed the guy who lives across the
street from me. Now *that's* action, if you ask me. heck, 50% of the
people killed in your example were killed in this incident, which
happened days before Christmas. Should we be invading MexicO now?

A really good friend of mine was murdered by a Latino in mid-July. No, we
shouldn't invade Mexico.

Glad to hear it. Not the first part, but the second.

Forget the World Cup or Super Bowl,

OK, so now we're supposed to forget your analogy.

it's common practice in Italy to bring neo-Nazi flags and regalia to
Serie A games. And for "fans" to taunt black
players, even if they're playing for the club that these alleged "fans"
are
supporting.

That's nothing. Have you ever seen the Black Hole in Oakland? Is
*that* Civilization As We Know It?

And I meant to put quotation marks around the term "Superbowl".

And finally, Bono wanted to "knock 'em dead" at this Super Bowl, but
won't be allowed to. I guess someone is making sure that you can make
statements like the one that you made, right?

Ummm... he wanted to "knock 'em dead" with a song about AIDS? Was he
talking
in metaphors? Of course he shouldn't. It's not the right time or place
for
such a song.

No, it was *my* phrase. I was just playing *your* game.

What statement of mine are you referring to exactly?

"At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl".

I thought that was pretty clear. Now, as to your point, it wasn't
nearly as clear. Your reply shows that you didn't think this one out
so well...

How does an act of fairly random murder have anything to do with
comparing cultures?

I remember when someone was making the same point using a German guy
who ate another human (literally ate him, mind you), all the time
forgetting that we had had the same sort of thing happen several times
over. The difference was that *our* cannibals ate multiple people.

You conservatives are really skewed...even those of you who live in
places like Austin.

Conservative? Firstly Dave, you are dead wrong about my political biases. I
am left of center on most issues.

So why are you posting such tripe?

Secondly, the point I was making was that spectators killing each other is
not common at NBA, NFL, MLB or even NHL games. And it is not uncommon in
Europe.

Sure it is. Considering the number of events and the number of
spectators, it's pretty "uncommon".

Yet, we get continuously chastised for being a violent, gun-toting,
trigger-happy culture.

Well, we are. There's no denying that. Just run the numbers and you'll
see.

I was just making a point. We don't have Packers fans waving neo-Nazi flags
at Lambaugh Field.

Once again - you haven't seen the Black Hole in Oakland? What do you
think *those* images say?