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Paul B wrote:


Paul B. again

The average is supposed to be 1dB which is fairly
coarse when stepping through volume but I wouldn't
care to state I could hear even that little in
a DB test!

Your suggestion was investigated by L.Greenhill, Stereo
Review, Aug. 1983,p.51. Using ABX methodology he found
that most of his panel were unable to distinguish
1,75db difference between the volumes produced by a
thick and a thin cable *when music was used as a
signal* Once again: to follow Sean Olive's
investigation; "difference" appears to be the wrong
question to ask if one wants to prove,* for once* that
people can distinguish components. "Which one do you
like better?" (blinded-why not?) is a much better bet.
But of course that sounds too human and not
"scientific" enough

Ludovic Mirabel

If this message appears twice in some servers I
apologise. Google accepted it yesterday but failed to
post it.

It was a lie the first time you posted it and remains a
lie.

I don't have a manuscript of this article, but I believe that Mirabel's
account is factually correct.


I have it. I'll scan it and send it to you. I'm tired of seeing
floobylovers bull**** about it.


Mirabel's error is that he lives in the past and he sets the bar for proof
related to DBTs far higher than he sets the bar for his golden-eared
beliefs.


Typical of his kind. For every article like Greenhill's, there are
dozens if not hundreds of claims of difference in audiophilia
that are based on far flimsier methodology. And his own 'comparisons'
are doubtless no better. So why can't he just admit that unless he's
controlled for standard biases, his own claims of difference are
potentially colored by the same frailties we all share? It's not
so hard to say, 'I might have been imagining what I heard, I can't
know for sure, based on how I did the comparison.'

The answer is easy I'm full of biases: my DNA, education,
musical preferences, experience what not. Unique just like the
fingerprints. I. have my likes and dislikes no doubt influenced by my
biases.
I do not claim that my likes and dislikes can be "proved-or disproved-
by a never validated, never properly researched "test." or by any other
"test" still to come..
I'm well aware that I can keep on repeating this till the
cows come home but someone will still pop up and charge me with "making
claims"
Ludovic Mirabel



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