On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:35:53 +0200, Forwarder wrote:
Where did you get
your 850 out of a thousand figure?
Based on all sorts of things. 
Mine would seem far more
reasonable.
Based on all sorts of things?
*THEY* are the
ones who are of interest - I couldn't care less about the other 990.
It is NOT the people that are in question here, it is the cables, and
whether or not they indeed to sound in a given way. You have this all
topsy turvy upside down.
It would be a waste of time testing them.
So says you.
OK - I'll buy it.
What did you buy? I fear you might isunderstood _my_ proposal above.
What do you think would be gained by taking a group
of people who could not hear a difference between two cables sighted,
and asking them to identify them unsighted?
I never proposed such a torture on people. To provide an answer:
Nothing, obviously.
Good, so we need hear no more about gathering 1000 people for a test.
More of interest are those who come on groups like this and make
unsolicited claims of night and day differences between these items,
here you go again with this "night and day claims" anger. Audiophools
will be audiophools, just get over it. No need to be so angry and vengefull.
I don't do anger
I am eager to meet you, you seem to be some sort of being superior.
Just human - but I've been around long enough to know what is and
isn't useful.
You get to have a "scientific" view on these things, yes, but would you
trust your measuring equipment more then the claims of hearing this or
that coming from 1000, or even 10000 people?
Absolutely - every time.
Let me get this correct now: You are saying that visual cues such as
shiny black, thickness of some cable will be enough to distort peoples
perceptions but blinding them and going at them saying "which is which,
prove it!" would have no effect as to what they hear?
You yourself say you have been subjected to just such a test, and
identified the right cable every time. I think you have answered your
own question about "which is which?". Now if you can do that again
publicly you will have answered the first part of your question as
well.
Oh, and yes, "Absolutely - every time."
Are you sure of your impartiality? Could you be a wee bit angry at these
audiophools after all? Think about it, really, sincerely.
Why would I be angry at audiophools? They don't impinge on me in any
way. As for impartiality, what is more impartial than a measurement?
What are measuring equipment measuring? What you and I hear? Or is our
ability hear measured separately? Is *everything*, including
consciousness, àble to be measured, fully?
You are getting a little fanciful here.
With your permission of course.
You don't need my or anybody's permission for anything you do.
I believe, on the evidence to
date, that I can measure everything that has any bearing on the sound
from a cable.
There is still hope for you : "on the evidence to date" .. Well said.
There are those who assert otherwise, but refuse to
supply proof.
The "proof" as you put it, aint so +2=4 kind of a simple thing to prove,
unfortunately.
In this case it is. Score the necessary number of correct hits, and
that is the proof. All I can supply to the contrary is evidence -
shame for me, heh?
Addressing that issue is what this whole thread is
about.
AG-reed.
Look - this is how it is. Somebody says "This cable sounds nice, that
one doesn't".
No. Usually someone says this cable sounds endgy, this has more
presence, that one smears the transients, etc..
OK, substitute edgy for nice, or whatever - the principle remains the
same. It comes down to identifying a quality.
So in the test the question at each trial will be "does
it sound nice, or not".
No. Your question is this "now that you are blinded to the knowledge ans
sight of which is which, tell me, WHICH IS WHICH!?!"
If it sounds nice, write "Cable A", if it does
not, write "Cable B".
Actually, that is how *I* will approach the whole issue.
So you see, it really is a question of whether
it sounds nice or not.
No it isn't. See above.
See above as well.
That is another reason why you shouldn't test people who have not
expressed a preference
You shouldn't "test people" at all, period, on whether or not a cable is
able to introduce a given trait to the sound of a given system.
Don't pick at the semantics - you know what I mean.
- the question does not resolve to whether the
music sounds nice.
Totally irrelevant. Music always sounds nice. Even sometimes coming
out of the small little transistor radio in grandma's living room.
Semantics again? Could you be running out of argument here?
And writing down whether you thought it was nice or not - would that
stress you?
My, you *can* be funny too.
What I am asking is whether you believe the DBT as proposed by me
would be stressful enough to impair your sensitivity to the perceived
difference.
I don't care who they are directed at, I don't need to encounter them
in conversations I am participating in.
If you can't stand the heat, sit down.
Thank you, I am.
Of course. But I would expect to able to post that the test will be
happening during - say - the next week, so that interested parties
know that they should keep alert for the results.
Of course, sure, and yes.. Do inform me well before hand, as before hand
as possible though.
I generally know about a month in advance.
d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com