"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
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Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:42:08 GMT

What is it you want to win? Security? Peace of mind? Goodwill? None of
these are possible with people around like the Iranian government or any
government that doesn't recognize the inherent right of human beings to
live. That includes Israel.

That includes 160 or so nations on this planet. So you want to rub out
Israel and Iran.

Iran yes, Israel no. I was saying, (somewhat akwardly) that Iran and other
countries like it, need to recognize Israel's right to exist.

How about Syria as well? And let's go get North Korea,
several of the 'Stans' from the former Soviet Union, 9/10 of Africa,
part of South America, Cuba, Haiti (again), and what the hell, while
we're at it, Canada (just because they're close).

Canada has a lawfully elected government and their people have the right to
change the government. The others listed above would be doing the world a
favor if they would adopt a system that insured the rights of all their
citizens.

And the UK because
Pooh Bear is a smart ass and Stewart Pinkerton is a goofy nickname.

Well, as long as you have a good reason.

We can't vote them out. We can't attack and overrun them all (since
this would also go against your 'attack only if attacked' statement, I
presume you agree), and even if we could we'd run into other nation's
spheres of influence (think MacArthur in Korea. Remember what happened
with the Chinese there?).

None of them are much of a threat to the U.S. other than N. Korea. I think
the N. Koreans would welcome the overthrow of the Little ****. But then you
never know how brainwashed the people might be.

Our military is stretched to the limit,

No, it's not.

unless you propose forming a permanent occupational warrior class like
the Mongols or Romans or Macedonians had. Kerry proposed forming two
more Army divisions, which based on today's reality, made a lot of
sense.

What reality is that?

You probably realize the US military was in Bosnia for almost 10 years,
and we were invited there.


Yes, and I remember Clnton's lies about how long we would be there.

One answer (Kerry's, actually) was to look at the root causes, the
second, third, and fourth order effects of our foreign policy and try
to form world consensus.

One of the reasons he lost the election. The U.S. doesn't need or want the
consenus of a bunch of 2 bit dictators and tyrants that make up much of the
governments around the world. Our condern should be our own safety.


Another (Bush's, Cheney's and Rumsfeld's,
actually) was to tell the world to get ****ed and to be rootin-tootin
cowboys, and then hand the keys to the vault to Halliburton.

Well said. A lie but well said.

Oh, and
while we're at it let's ridicule the idea of trying to form world
consensus until we realize that we're stretched too thin, and then
let's go back to the UN and all the others we've ****ed off and ask for
help.

How many tinhorn ****head countries are i the U.N.? Why is it they can't
seem to do anything of their own succesfully? When are they going to go
after any of the countries you listed above?
The U.N. is worse than useless, it has become an obstacle.

Maybe soon we can start eating Freedom Toast and Freedom Fries
again.

The Germans and others are trying diplomatic solutions with Iran. Until
Iran actually does something 'wrong' (i.e. test a bomb) or until we
have conclusive proof that they have built one (hopefully from a source
more credible than US intelligence apparently is)(see factcheck.org for
their stellar performance);-), what other course is there?


None that I know of.

So aside from hand-wringing and wishful thinking about Utopia, what
exactly do you propose?


Isolation. We don't really need most of the countries in the world, at
least not nearly as much as we need them. Allow Americans to pump the oil
we have here and tell the Arabs to get on the freedom train or get ****ed.
Without oil their countries would be back in the 5th Century.

I propose that we start by unelecting the dim-witted lying republican
asswipes that are in power right now ASAP.

And replace them with dimwitted tax hiking Democrat asswipes instead?

Although we may not have to,
because it appears likely that gobs of the self-righteous corrupt
crooks will be going to jail pretty soon anyway.

Doubtful. Delay will walk, since he has broken now laws and is simply the
victim of a headline seeking DA.

Who else is trouble? I haven't been paying close attention lately.