Robert Morein wrote:
"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Robert Morein wrote:

Andre, with all due respect, your post is loaded with religious
faith,
which
does not coexist well, or interact well, with scientific thought.

Same goes for his faith based love for the SET. ;-)

Graham

I'm not a SET fan, but I'm skipping that. It's very popular to bash
people
on account of their personal taste. It's cheap, predictable, and
boring.

The point actually was that - despite their clear limitations (
recently
discussd in depth ) that Joot prefers an SET over an amplifer that can
be
demonstrably shown to be vastly more accurate.

That's an example of 'faith' winning over science. Like the God squad.

Graham

There is an old saying: "There is no accounting for taste."

Indeed.

Music is
sensational, and sensational is subjective. What happens between the
nerve
endings of Jute, and the final judgement of the cerebral cortex, is a
completely individual manner. It will be different for you, for Jute, and
for me.

Of course one never knows exactly but I won't labour the point.

An interesting proof of the function of the brain in making judgements
about
sound quality ( amongst other things ) is easily performed by the
consumption of
intoxicants.

I attend live concerts regularly. The experience is vastly different from
any hifi system I've ever heard.

Indeed. One of the largest effects is the acoustic of the listening
environment.
Added to which will be ambient noise and I'm sure the sense of occasion
affects
the human response too.

Perhaps Jute's brain interprets SET/horn
sound as closer to the live experience than a typical hifi. He is
entitled
to use whatever tools he prefers to aid his imagination in transference
to
the experience of actual attendance.

Sure. I still stand by my assertion that I find his judgement similar to
one
based on faith. The mind works in funny ways.

But what is the basis of your assertion? Because he is a religious, or
spiritual person, you feel that influences his sonic preferences? I do see
that he is a person who takes a very strong stand that his system is, or
nearly, the best of all possible systems. But how can you be sure that it
stems from his religious beliefs?

Ouch. We're personalizing a light-hearted speculative discussion. My
religion is my own business and as a professional intellectual I am by
definition an infinite sceptic and thus cannot be a spiritual person,
nor, for that matter, a religious person in any sense a fundamentalist
will recognize. The ecstasy of music for practical purposes stands
outside either crude religion or spirituality or, more precisely,
crosses so many of their divisive boundaries that the very universality
of musical ecstasy makes the application of such appellations to music
instantly suspect.

Nor have I ever claimed my audio "system is, or nearly, the best of all
possible systems." I merely say it suits my taste, and that I back my
educated taste against the unattractive control freakery of tenth-rate
"engineers". (In fact I have written extensively on the stupidity of
confusing *high* fidelity, as a search for perfection, with *fidelity*
as an unqualified achievement measured by THD and IMD.) Recently, and
in the particular context of the feeding frenzy of railroad minds on
RAO and RAT decrying one audio choice, I have added what is observable
to anyone, that none of them have audio systems of the depth, width and
quality of mine; but that is merely a matter of money, not of
principle. The implication is only that I have the instant opportunity
to test systems and paradigms against each other (for instance
DHT-horns against solid state-panels) to reinforce my opinion based on
taste, placebo test or measurement, not that I care whether my system
is objectively "better" than theirs; my belief in the primacy of
culture as a tool for evaluation excludes such crude measures.

Now watch the crude railroad minds foam at the mouth in their
incomprehension. (Like you, I am not so much interested in what they
think--that is depressingly predictable--but what they think with.)

Andre Jute