Lionel wrote:
Dédé "McKelvy" Jute wrote :
While in this thread I'm glad to see Poopie do some work for a change
rather than just carp uselessly, the context of Krueger's lie was not
about orchestral performers.
...LOL !!! Poor Dédé is too petty and conceited to recognize that he has
done an ass of himself.
In this story, *you* are the *LIAR*, Dédé, and in the end you sound 10 time
worst than the ones you criticize.
In French : http://www.french.press.hear-it.org/page.dsp?page=1838
In English : http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyo...0040112a.shtml
Do you need more, eh Môron ?
We are not going to get any understanding if we keep on calling each other
morons.
The hearing of the general public including musicians isn't such a happy
picture, usually because of too much noise early in life and the
hours of exposure to noise all add up.
I worked as a builder for many years without religiously wearing ear muffs
and by 34 got slight tinnitus which came on suddenly and lasted 2 years
along with sensitive hearing.
I thought I was superman, able to take anything, stay out late in a disco,
hammer
boards on all day to clad a wall, then drive 80 miles with the window down
to bonk a sheila, and oops, my ears rebelled, bigtime.
I didn't enjoy any sound,
including music, especially live pop music gigs which I then avoided like a
social outcast.
I'd have the ear muffs on in the vehicle I drove.
I *never* went out without ear plugs.
I was still forced to earn a living, but with ear muffs I have gradually
improved,
and i don't believe any further damage has been done.
But many of my peers wore headphones with loud music, went to dreadful pop
concerts, liked all the noise they could hear, and are now a lot worse than I
am.
So whoever Andre may have gained opinions from with his amps may have
included some % of hearing impaired/damaged ppl.
Probably nobody could know the full extent of the hearing dysfunctions,
not even the professional music industry ppl concerned.
There isn't a single customer of mine over 40 who has the hearing they had at
20.
A side result is that older guys spend far more on sound gear than the young,
in an attempt to compensate for hearing that isn't quite what it was.
Similarly, ppl are buying huge plasma TV sets because their eyes cannot
enjoy the old 21 inch TV like they could when 20.
But despite the "rust in the microphones" what the brain does with what we hear
often becomes more refined and qualitative with age, and people in the music
industry
are supposed to know more because they hear the evidence of it daily.
Some ppl have much different hearing to others, and the differences can become
greater
with age; my oldest client of 92 hears well without ring or super sensitivity
out to at least 12 kHhz, and we prooved that one day when i ran test tones with
an old tweeter
he wanted me to fit to a box.
I played a vinyl record one day when the massed voices of a choir gave rise to
that
slightly buzzy sound that is either clipping or some other
phenomena in the recording process. He asked me what the buzzing was.
So he could hear a recording defect quite easily.
His wife of 96 is almost quite deaf, and she would have expereinced
much less noise in her life than he did. Love gets them through the day and
night.
So by a certain age, many of us just don't have the comfortable dynamic range
ability,
and like our eyesight, hearing fades or becomes noisy or changes
to less than the perfection we had at 20, and the perfection we probably
carelessly
spoiled with motor cycles, loud cars, electric saws, planers, violins, oboes,
walkmans,
trumpets, jack hammers, food blenders, ordinary hammering, screaming orgasmic
women,
and 1,001 ways to make a din
to get things done or have a good time.
So I prefer a sheila to shut up while she's cumming, and if anything is to
deafen
me I'd prefer it be something Bach or Motzart wrote.
But I now quite like to sit though an evening with a collection of records
to occupy my hearing, but if I went out to some of the loud movies
or other venues where there is lots of noise, I'd suffer, so I prefer quiet
movies
with meaning and without all the explosions and gunfire.
There is a cafe I go to where I play chess, and last week about 30 women
of about 25 turned up in a class or team re-union.
When they all roared with laughter together, oops, the sound hit the
"horrible" levels.
But if I'd been 25, such sound would have been music twice as loud.
Probably the best person to ask about an amp's sonic character
would be a blind man or woman since they often live quietly,
and depend much more on their hearing, and can thus hear a pin drop at 20 feet,
and discern much more from hearing than you or i do.
Audiologists around the world paint a dismal picture of the world's noisiness;
For example The dance-rave party craze will create thousands of cases of early
hearing dysfunctions; sound levels in nearly all venues where young ppl gather
is way up on what it was when i was a young man.
Its no good trying to talk to anyone in such places.
Perhaps we could consider what audiologists say about the matter rather than
argue with each other
to gain cheap points with spurious arguments, since we are here for the
triodes,
and civilised entertainment.
Patrick Turner.