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news The basic concept:

http://www.dhtrob.com/projecten/homeprojectselna1.htm

A user report:


http://www.dhtrob.com/impressies/hom...lna_inwood.htm


Taken by itself, this ludicrous mod supports your position
regarding sighted testing of equipment.

It doesn't have to be taken by itself. There are zillions of
examples of it on the web and elsewhere.

However, you use notions such
as these to discourage the individual who, lacking any outside
resources, wishes to conduct sighted tests to choose components for
personal use, or wishes to communicate observations based on sighted
testing to other individuals.

What's unclear about the fact that some audio gear sounds different
and some doesn't, but sighted evaluations all by themselves don't
provide a reliable means to determine which is which?

The valid middle ground is difficult for ideologues like
"dhtrob", or you, to comprehend.

I'm aware of the fact that many radicals confuse their marginal
thinking with that of some presumed middle-of-the-road viewpoint.
Furthermore, this isn't about political opinion, it's about a
physical hypothesis that can be reliably tested.

It is certainly true that sighted
testing can, and does in some instances lead to perception of
differences when there are none.

So far so good.

It is also true that many listeners
can, as a practical matter, discern differences that are important
to them.

Not a problem as long as these alleged differences reliably exist.

If the cost of exterminating imaginary perceptions is to make
unavailable a large body of informal, anecdotal comparative
knowledge, then the cure is not worth the treatment.

IOW, if imaginary perceptions are a big problem, nothing should be
done about them. This is crazy.

As most of us are aware of your unquenchable drive to
exterminate the sighted personal experience, and don't like it, we
suggest you turn your attention to testing toaster ovens.

Here, Morein presumes to speak for the majority of audiophilia. No
small ego, his.


The statement above is just another example of how Krueger tries to
misrepresent what others have actually said through distortion of facts. The
use of the phrase "most of us'" by Mr. Morein clearly refers to the audience of
RAO readers, not as Krueger tries to invent the "majority of audophilia",
whatever that nebulous phrase of his idiosyncratic imagination might or might
not mean. For Krueger to assume that Mr. Morein was referring to any audiencx
larger than that reading this NG, is of course just another example of "bad
science".


There is
little information on the thermodynamic efficiency of these
appliances, and countless megawatts of electricity are wasted each
year by users who based their buy on sighted comparisons of the
chrome plating. Should you apply your gifts to this neglected
subject, it would be a great boon to mankind.

Another nonsense post from Morein.

I wouldn't dismiss it as nonsense.

Of course not, after all you authored this nonsense, Morein!

LOL!

Dr. Richman has very kindly offered other possibilities that may be
more within your realm of competence.

I don't see any evidence that Richman is technically competent enough in
the
area of electrical engineering to judge what is or is not in my realm of
competence. I presume that if he had any competence in the area of
engineering he would announce it every three days on the average, as he
has
with his alleged credentials in the area of psychology.


Speaking of nonsense, Krueger, as his custom, treis to spread more lies about
post content by insulting everybody's intelligence. It is absurdly easy to
point out that Krueger, trying to lie with statistics as his custom, specifies
no time range over which his soi-called "average" was taken. And of course, he
also fails to have the intellectual honesty to engage in full disclosure, which
would reveal major portions o time - months, if not years, in which this was
never mentioned. He also fails to indicate the number of timies he has
committed slander by claiming those credentials are questionable or
nonexistent. He does so again in this post by use of the adjective,
"alleged"..

As has been pointed out many times in the past in reswponse to Krueger's
numerous slanderous comments re. my background, there is nothing alleged about
them, as others on RAO have very easily verified in the past.

Like you Morein, AFAIK Richman has offered no evidence on RAO that
suggests
knowledge of the difference between an ohm and a volt.

Which is,l of course, irrelevant re. knowledge or llack of knowledge about
various audio phenomena. In point of fact, his statement re. knowiing the
difference between a volt and an ohm, as different units of electircal
measurment, is absord.
Knowledge of that difference has nothing to do, of course, with training or
background in electrical engineering. For that matter the use of sound
scientific methodology concerning comparative evaluation of 2 or more products
in the same research experiment has little, if anything to do with electrical
engineering per se. It has to do with experimental design, knowledge of
statical analysis methods, and of course, the honesty to use them in an ethical
way. Whether talking about his hallowed ABX protocols or his deceptive attempt
to use statistics here, many of found him to be severely lacking.



BTW please feel
free
to do so at your earliest convenience...

I'll be please to do so now:
An "ohm" is the mantric chant of Arny Krueger's religion. Pronounced
rhythmically, it is intended to stun it's victims into silence.

Actually, most psychologist know a lot about resistance. It is one of the
central concepts in psychodynamic personality theory and
psychodynamically-oriented therapy. We also know how to measure it, whether by
analysis of an MMPI protocol, for example (which has an empirically derived
scale designed specifically to measure this variable), or by carefuly
evaluation of therapist/patient interactinos.

In Arny Krueger's religion, a "volt" is the unit of personal power. It is
the desire of all adherents to acquire as many volts as possible, by
shocking the public with revelations of "truth."
"Truth", according to Arny Krueger's religion, consists of a single tenet:
that Arny Krueger is the sole and exclusive purveyor of "truthful"
information. Unfortunately, Krueger's religion is self referential, failing
to escape Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Krueger's definition of "truth" is
completely circular, as it is defined in terms of itself.



Psychologist also know a lot about power and the delusional perceptions of
same, which are frequently fround in a condition known as Narcissiistic
Personality Disorder aw well as comingled with paranoia in many cases in which
the person with a rigid character structure (or in layman's terms - a highly
fixed, long-term, pervasive set of personality characteristics - or habitual
behavior) exhibits frequent evidence of self-perceived omniscience and/or
entitlement.


Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist

(signed this way, as usual, in response to repeated slanderous comments from
Krueger - and also because the possible need to provide documentary evidence in
support of Scott Wheeler's libel suit against Krueger).