Arny Krueger wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message


In article
.com,
wrote:

Steven Sullivan wrote:

wrote:

By now it was demonstraded to you beyond any doubt
what a "serious newsgroup" does no look like.
Go to "www.Audio Asylum.com" The DBT discussion is
banned,

The claim that DBT discussion is banned is just another
example of Ludovic's failing grip on reality. Last time I
checked, DBTs are only banned on AA in the section devoted
to cables.

Audio Asylum is nothing if not aptly-named. And I'm
pretty sure I saw Sam Tellig calling
someone *profane* names there recently.

Tellig's posts were removed in a timely fashion. Another
Stereophile regular melts down in public - what's new?

(DBT discussion
was only banned in the cable section
last time I looked..has there been a forum-wide putsch
there since?) It's hardly the haven of
reason and civil discourse Derrick seems to seek.

I don't see AA as being especially useless.

If you want no-nonsense discussion of audio and audio
perception -- claims of the 'I heard a
difference therefore it is real" type are actually
against its terms of service, as are
flamewars and profanity -- try www.hydrogenaudio.org.

Agreed.

For a pro audio perspective , seek out
the www.prosoundweb forums or rec.audio.pro or
rec.audio.tech. www.audioholics.com also
has some very good articles on no-nonsense audio, and a
pretty good and lively forum. And of
course, there's rec.audio.high-end, every audiophool's
nightmare.

ditto and ditto.

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And naturally Sullivan's delight He can spout there at
will without fear of contradiction.

See former comments about Ludovic's disconnect with reality.
Sullivan can and is frequently contradicted on RAHE.

No need to take
shelter in his dodge of "killfiling" whenever the going
gets too hot.

Ah, so what Ludovic is complaining about is his inability to
engage in personal attacks and defamation.

The RAHE engineer-moderator does his job
for him. He hypocritically proclaimed ban on ABX debate.

Nothing like a personal attack to salve Ludovic's wounded
ego, it seems.

This allows RAHE to post all the subtle cryptonyms like:
"Prove by a bias-free test that your impressions are
real".

This would be no doubt be one of Ludovic's made-up quotes.

If one says that the bias-free."test' (read ABX)
has never been validated by experiment your retort is
censored out because it is "repetitive" or
"uninteresting" or about ABX or what not.

To mental midgets like Ludovic, all bias-controlled tests
are the same, it seems.

Sullivans and
their clones reign supreme there. The gagged opposition
left one by one- gentle Harry Lavo the last survivor.

If you call being Harry Lavo "being a survivor" ;-)

There are others there who are simpatico :-)

Ludovic's affinity for RAO would appear to lie in his
ability to find sympathy from people who are as
logically-challenged and unaware of relevant facts as he is.

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Arny says:
"Ah, so what Ludovic is complaining about is his inability to
engage in personal attacks and defamation"

Arny- where I come from, the "going gets hot" means "when argument
gets hot". Sorry that your imagination does not see a lively discussion
without "personal attacks and defamation"
Sorry that you next prove that you learned the lesson only too well:
Here are a few excerpts from your current usage:.
"This would be no doubt be one of Ludovic's made-up quotes"
Note the artful use of "one of"..
Mo
"To mental midgets like Ludovic, all bias-controlled tests
are the same, it seems."

And here is one of the "personal attacks and defamation " I
subjected our supporter of civility in discussion: two short months
ago.
"Arny let me now say something in sorrow rather than anger. You are
an inventive guy , a cut above average, you're bright and articulate
well, you forgot more about electronics than I will ever know. I am
told that. your ABX or its derivatives are used daily by researchers..
This should be plenty satisfying to you. You don't need to extend the
ABX empire to where it does not fit.
It seems that you can never satisfy some egos. Arny is confusing a
disagreement with "personal attacks and defamation ".
It seems also that I truly got under his skin by awkward questions like
this one: "IPlease point to ONE SINGLE published ABX test which
resulted in recognition of differences between any electronically
comparable audio component and another."
You don't like this wording? REPHRASE it. Anything goes. Don't
nitpick and don't stay mute till you hope the question was forgotten
when you can start things afresh.
Because it will not be . I'll take care of that.
I'm also notifyiing your claque that if they want to go on the way
they have been doing I will continue to take it and to dish it out too.
In spades. Thankfully in a free society they can not fulfil their
dreams and muzzle the opposition.
Ludovic Mirabel
At least my quarrel with RAHE was not about repetitious advertising.