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Steven Sullivan wrote:
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Derrick Fawsitt wrote:
Can those apparently few people who use this Newsgroup just for
matters
Audio advise me if there is a "more" appropriate newsgroup for
dealing
with Audio queries ao running down the subject matter of "most" of
the
posts leads me to believe that this NG is for anything and everything
except serious Audio buffs.
I do hope this post attracts those who are prepared to advise but no
doubt some people will take offence at the tenure of my remarks, I
assure you no offence is intended, I just want some loudspeaker
advice
but feel from the subject matter of some of the posts I may be in the
wrong place.
--
Derrick

By now it was demonstraded to you beyond any doubt what a "serious
newsgroup" doea no look like.
Go to "www.Audio Asylum.com" The DBT discussion is banned, moderator
rejects profanity, people argue about equipment and discuss their
experience. You'll soon know who you feel deserves to be listened to.
Ludovic Mirabel


Audio Asylum is nothing if not aptly-named. And I'm pretty sure I saw Sam
Tellig calling
someone *profane* names there recently. (DBT discussion was only banned
in the cable section
last time I looked..has there been a forum-wide putsch there since?)
It's hardly the haven of
reason and civil discourse Derrick seems to seek.

If you want no-nonsense discussion of audio and audio perception --
claims of the 'I heard a
difference therefore it is real" type are actually against its terms of
service, as are
flamewars and profanity -- try www.hydrogenaudio.org. For a pro audio
perspective , seek out
the www.prosoundweb forums or rec.audio.pro or rec.audio.tech.
www.audioholics.com also
has some very good articles on no-nonsense audio, and a pretty good and
lively forum. And of
course, there's rec.audio.high-end, every audiophool's nightmare.
--------------------------------------------------------
Sullivan says:
.And of
course, there's rec.audio.high-end, every audiophool's nightmare.

And naturally Sullivan's delight He can spout there at will without
fear of contradiction.

About ABX? There's very few knowledgable people who don't already get that
it is as both Steve, and I have said. A very reliable tool for determining
subtle differnces. It is accpeted fact.

No need to take shelter in his dodge of
"killfiling" whenever the going gets too hot.

Why would there be when people aren't allowed to flame?

The RAHE
engineer-moderator does his job for him. He hypocritically proclaimed
ban on ABX debate.

Because the subjectivists never tire of trying to rationalize their view on
ABX. They refuse to accept that audio is engineering and that it conforms
to known principles.


This allows RAHE to post all the subtle cryptonyms
like: "Prove by a bias-free test that your impressions are real". If
one says that the bias-free."test' (read ABX) has never been validated
by experiment your retort is censored out because it is "repetitive" or
"uninteresting" or about ABX or what not. Sullivans and their clones
reign supreme there.

There's also the fact that saying it hasn't been validated is an outright
lie.


The gagged opposition left one by one- gentle
Harry Lavo the last survivor.

Who regularly gets his assed kicked on technical subjects.

As a result the forum has as much to do with high-end as the Walmart
audio division
Ludovic Mirabel

It has to do with what the people keep talking about.

If you shut up about your ignorant view of ABX, nobody would have to keep
telling you how wrong you are.

What ? Back to the old tricks of chopping up somebody's text to
victoriously answer your own artistic creations, shouting ever louder
"lie" when short of evidence etc.
No more promotional- advertising material to copy from the web? Given
up on flooding the RAO opening page ?

Go back to the work-bench. Remember: no gain without pain. Soon
you'll be skilled enough to pass as your own some stuff you found on
the web and at last get a beautiful gold-lettered diploma from.your
night school.
That will show them.
Ludovic Mirabel