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"Robert Morein" wrote in message
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"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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"None of the proponents on this newsgroup have any business
relationship
with
the high end.Personally, I do not have a business that deals with hifi
in
any way. "

How do you know that no one here has any such vested interest? And is
there only one form of vesting this interest may take, or are there
several?

Over the years, the backgrounds of the various posters have been
fleshed
out. As far as I am aware, the only persons who have had some kind of
financial connection to high end audio are Greg Singh, Arny Krueger, and
John Atkinson, and Bill Watkins.

There may, of course, be occasional posters who do have connections. But
I
do not sense that the debate is polarized as John Richards states. He
follows the tradition the so-called objectivists in the use of dirty
debating tactics, trying to undermine the sincerity of the incorrectly
termed "subjectivists".

Truely, the attitude of the Krueger gang is weird:
1. You can't hear what you care about.
Bull****.

2. Your sighted observation is not merely vulnerable to prejudice, which
is
a legitimate concern, but WORTHLESS.

From a standpoint of anything revealing, yes.

3. All amplifiers sound the same.
Bull****, nobody ever said that and you know it, unless you count it as
one
of the lies you like to tell.

4. You must use our magic box, which has NOT been proven to be
transparent,
or what you think you hear is a lie.

Another lie. 2 Actually the ABX comaprator is transparent and nobody has
insisted that ABX is the only reliable way to do listening comparisons.

But the only way you can prove that an ABX comparator is transparent is with
another ABX comparator which is known to be transparent.
Reducto-ad-absurdium; the ABX comparator cannot be proven to be transparent.