"dave weil" wrote in message

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:47:43 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:32:36 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:22:34 GMT, "Sandman"
wrote:

Arnii, now you've really gone and done it. You friggin' moron, I
cited the article and copied it exactly word for word. If you
don't like the wording or formatting complain to the editor of the
article, you idiot, not me!

Yes, it was the article that misquoted the Secretary. However, it
really doesn't make the statement anymore incomprehensible.

Here's the *actual* quote, with a little extra added:
-----------------
Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always
interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns;
there are things we know we know. We also know there are known
unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not
know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't
know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our
country and other free countries, it is the latter category that
tend to be the difficult ones.

And so people who have the omniscience that they can say with high
certainty that something has not happened or is not being tried,
have capabilities that are -- what was the word you used, Pam,
earlier?

Q: Free associate? (laughs)

Rumsfeld: Yeah. They can -- (chuckles) -- they can do things I
can't do. (laughter)

Q: Excuse me. But is this an unknown unknown?

Rumsfeld: I'm not --

Q: Because you said several unknowns, and I'm just wondering if
this is an unknown unknown.

Rumsfeld: I'm not going to say which it is.
--------------------
I like the last statement especially.

BTW, I note that Arnold Krueger turned the quote into verse without
attributing it to other sources, who have already done that.

That's lie. I provided the URL of the page that I copied the verse
form from.

Here's the place where quoted the verse from of Rumsfeld's quote:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=-o...%40comcast.com

Message id or article number not
found.

And here's the URL which I cited in that post, for the verse form of
Rumsfeld's quote:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2081042


The implication is that it was his own work, but he plagiarized
it from other sources on the net.

This one is very obvious, maybe he'll finally admit that he was
wrong. Nevertheless, don't hold your breath while you wait for Weil
to apologize for his libelous claim.

Maybe if you'll post a correct link, I might be able to address it.

Oooops!

Oops, indeed.


I found it. Of course, I had to find it on my own because Arnold's
link didn't work.

You're nuts. I just tried the link, and it works.

I retract my statement. Mr. Krueger *did* attribute his quote.

Just replacing one lie with another, I see.

Maybe you can learn something from this Arnold. It's easy for the rest
of the world to admit that they are wrong. You should take the hint,
or keep taking the hits.

Let's see if you're man enough to retract your lie about my link not
working, Weil.