"Robert Morein" wrote in message
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"Lionel" wrote in message
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Robert Morein wrote:

I am American.
The others are not dishonest. They are ignorant. It's simply that the
country has fallen into a state of self-delusion. It's true that there
is a lack of responsibility at the top. But don't forget that
self-delusion is not solely the province of Americans. Take China, for
example. That country has the opportunity to build an economy from the
ground up that would not be oil based.

How ?
Do you know exactly how many *billions* dollars USA have invested in
Chinese industry and infrastructure ?
I bet that more than 80% of the US money invested in China are the money
of your future pensions...
Why the US investors (and the others...) haven't chosen an other type of
energy ?

Lionel, I'm not excusing what individual industrialists do, but this is an
issue where governments must set national policy. You might think that
industrialists are always against energy conservation, but this is not
always true. For example, Henry Ford has publicly advocated a high
gasoline tax, because it would enable his company to sell energy efficient
vehicles.

Also, please do not think that becaue I mentioned China, that I am trying
to dilute the responsibility of the U.S. I, for one, am ashamed that the
U.S. has not signed the Kyoto accords.

What a surprise! Bob comes out in favor of junk science, again.

Furthermore, I pointed out the dire consequences for the U.S. of current
energy policy, for the U.S. itself. Whatever fault I find in China's
policy does not change the consequences for the U.S. of our own policy.

The U.S. has ther strictest environmental laws in the world, and the
cleanest manufacturing.

There is no man made global warming.

The Kyoto Accords are a waste of paper.

The Chinese government still has substantial central planning power. They
choose to allow a rapid expansion in their automobile fleet, because they
are worried about political stability. They feel forced to buy the loyalty
of each class on whatever terms they can get.


They are trying to give people the things they want.

There is no shortage of oil, there is a shortage of profitability and a
shortage of capitalism for people who could be pumping more oil if they were
allowed.