"S888Wheel" wrote in message


I see now that my presumption that cables were at issue because of
the name Kimber was a mistake on my part.

Thanks for finally seeing your error.


Calling you on your
dismissal of an entire line of products based on prejudice rather
than empirical experience was not a mistake.

You call it prejudice, I call it analysis.

Mistaken facts based on
presumptions is not the same thing as a lack of understanding.

I'll leave the mistaken facts and presumptions up to you, since they seem to
be things that you are a lot more comfortable than I am. I find it
revelatory that after you admit that you are wrong about the major point,
you then try to change the thread into a context where you somehow think you
can claim that you're right anyway. In fact you're wrong on both points, as
I'll shortly show.

I said

You dismissed a
speaker company based on their views on cable and not on actually
auditioning their products.

Arny said

Still wrong, as anybody who checks my references below will see.
Either you've haven't done your homework sockpuppet wheel, or you
simply can't read and correctly perceive.

Technically I am wrong because of my mistake over cables being the
issue but in essence I am right.

Self-deceptive double talk.

You have suggested that an entire
line of products be dismissed over differences in beliefs you have
with the manufacturer and not based on any meaningful experience you
have with the products. I think that is wrong of you.

Sure, if you want to deceptively minimize importance of the observable
facts, which is one of your pitiful habits sockpuppet wheel, you can call it
a difference in belief. Or, one can observe that Atlantic Technology has a
track record for producing high-performance loudspeakers at a reasonable
price and has been highly reviewed by tough, factually-based reviewers. One
can also observe that Aperion Audio lacks Atlantic Technology's track
record, relies on deceptive terminology to hype their products, and note
that the only reviews they have come from lightweight subjectivist review
sources such as TAS, CNET etc.

I said

I completely understood what you did.

Arny said

If so why did you get it wrong twice, once after I proved that you
were wrong.

I got it part wrong twice because of my presumptions formed around
the name Kimber. That doesn't excuse your dismissal of a line of
products based completely on your prejudice.

You know that same presumptions thing that got you burned once sockpuppet
wheel is burning you again. You presumed that my comparison of these two
sources was based solely on prejudice, when that wasn't the case.

Would it be a good thing if I were able to spend a week each listening to
and analyzing both systems before responding? In the sense that my opinion
would have basis rooted in detailed personal experience, yes. However in the
newsgroup context, the person asking the question would have very likely
moved on and never seen my response two weeks after he asked his question.
Also the chances that any of us would have the opportunity to actually do a
detailed evaluation like this is basically zilch.

The criteria you've set up for me sockpuppet Wheel is totally unrealistic.
It's a criteria that you won't meet. just as certainly as I won't meet it.
It's just a debating trade trick. It's deceptive.


I said


No Arny, I called you on your habitual thread crapping.

Arny said



You call it crap, I call it analysis.

I suppose taking unfounded prejudicial jabs at a medium that seems
angers you for irrational reasons is about as close as you will get
to making any "analysis" of the content of that thread regarding
products from Simply Vinyl.

You seem to be having a problem with relevance here, sockpuppet wheel. This
isn't the Simply Vinyl thread, its the Atlantic Technology versus Aperion
Audio thread. Do try to remember where you are and what is relevant!

Just because it is your best effort
doesn't make your thread crapping smell any less repulsive.

You're just playing games, sockpuppet wheel. You may not have realized that
vinyl is irrelevant to virtually all audiophiles in the 21st century, but
many of the rest of us have. It's probable that the threads were contrived
to see if you could get some negative comments so that you and your thuggish
friends could have somebody to beat up on. The fact that you are now trying
to turn this thread into a continuation of that thread is very revealing.
You're not into RAO for the music, you're into it for the blood.