[Moderator's note: This subthread has become an argument between 2
people that has become rather repetitive and so is ended. -- deb ]


Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On 3 Jul 2005 17:26:38 GMT, wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On 2 Jul 2005 17:45:43 GMT, wrote:

I guess you figure every
CD has been mastered and produced exactly the same way.

Nope, there are *lots* of badly recorded and/or mastered CDs out
there. Ditto for LP, of course.

Unfortunately your claims about the CD v. LP debate completely ignore
this important fact.

No, they don't.


Yes they do. I just reviewed this thread. Your claims completely ignore
the important fact that mastering and reccording qualities are major
issues until I raised the issue. Facts is facts.





Hence my claim that your views are overly broad
and overly simple. But hey, if you do pay attention to these things
then you would have also encountered cases where digitally recorded
albums actually sonded beter on LP than CD but I bet you can't name one
example.

Actually no, I can't.


What a surprise. This is indicitive of some one who is simply not doing
that much careful open-minded listening IMO.



This may have something to do withy the fact
that mastering on CD is very straightforward from a digital master.


No it would most likely have something to do with your limited
experiences and/or biases regarding LP v. CD sound. If you want an
example take
a listen to Peter Gabriel's digit,lly recorded titles when they were
first released on Cd and compare them the the Classic reissues. No
contest, even Gabriel, a
supporter of digital technology agrees. Now if you can tell me what
they did wrong when these CDs were first mastered give it a shot. i
mean if mastering is so straight forward what went wrong there? The
original recordings were digital after all. What went so terribly
wrong? I think the audiophiles who are really interested in better
sound and not so caught up in their desire to be right about things
understand these things happen and make their decisions based on caeful
listening rather than make assumptions based on any particular belief
system. I strongly suspect that any audiophile that cannot name a
situation where the CD sounds better than the Lp or visa versa is
operating out of a belief system rather than relying on careful open
minded comparisons. A lot can happen on the road to making a commercial
CD or LP.



Esentially, you just push the 'master' button............


It would seem the folks who made those fine CDs of the Mercury catalog
would disagree with you. given their results i would tend to believe
them rather than you, someone with no experience in mastering or
producing commercial CDs.




Compare and contrast with the required peak limiting, low-level
compression summing to mono below 100Hz, and rolloff above 15kHz and
below 40Hz, that are required for LP mastering.



Better et listen to the folks who do the best jobs of mastering LPs and
CDs. They seem to disagree with you on all counts. Again i have to give
the pros more credibility.



Again, I think you pay too little attention to reality and too
much attention to your broad stroked biases and over simplifications.

I think that you pay no attention at all to reality.


If careful comparisons instead of judgement via biases is not paying
attention to reality you may be right. I'm not sure what *reality* you
would be refering to though.




Get a clue and
start listening to the actual CDs and LPs for a change

I do that all the time - in fact I'm doing it now.

Please excuse my skeptism but I doubt one who really listens to
variations of masterings and recordings with an open mind would make
such broad an simplistic claims about CDs v. Lps as you do with
regularity.

The differences are both obvious and simple.


No the differences vary from title to title. so they are not obvious or
simple. Your answers continue to suggest you simply don't know that
much about the subject.


desperately attempting to justify a personal preference, would you
feel a need to complicate the matter.



I feel no need to justify my personal preferences. The fact of the
matter is the answers are compluicated and vary from title to title.
This is something any serious audiophile would know.



Scott Wheeler