Robert Morein a écrit :
"Lionel" wrote in message
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"HE2005: The Great Debate".

It is clear now that this public debate organized by John
Atkinson was a complete flop. John Atkinson has failed, his
invitation was a gamble, he played, he lost. His fault ?
IMHO hubris only !...


Lionel,
I'm not sure I have ever been informed of your philosophical position.
Do you sympathize with Arny in an absolute way, or as a choice relative to
the attitudes found in Stereophile? Or are you primarily defending Arny from
attacks you feel are unfair?

1. IMO it is not possible to sympathize with Arnold Krueger
in an absolute way.

2. I am really astonished by the weak critical potential of
high-end audio magazines in general. Can you imagine such
"onctuous" critics in literature, music, movie... ?
Guys like John Atkinson doesn't participate to any real
improvement they are just trying to keep up a very
profitable business.
They aren't innovators just petty *pensioners*.

3. On RAO everyone have the supporters he deserves.
Middius supports Atkinson and I am "supporting" Krueger...
....I have never insulted John Atkinson. ;-)


If you were to take photographs of my systems, you would see much of
what you might find in Arny Krueger's systems; cheap interconnects, cost
efficient components, etc. The reason I am opposed to Krueger is much for
the same reason that the French Terror is regarded with horror; so many
possibilities, as well as some truths, are attacked by Arny's broad assault.

100% agree with you this is unacceptable behaviour.

The second reason is that Arny uses unfair tactics, such as making an
interpretation of another person's post, and proclaiming that it is the
other person's statement.

100% agree with you this is unacceptable behaviour.

I also disagree with Arny's testing methodology. And yet, we have made
so many choices that are similar.

Seems to me that Krueger's system has some potential.
Perhaps it has some serious technical flaws (statisticals,
recording...) but I'm sure that it can be improved to be an
other instrument in the panoply of audio reviewer, nothing
more than an *instrument* among other instruments.


If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that both
Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means."

Except you, Sander and one or two occasional posters, there
isn't any technical opposition to Krueger's views.

Most of the RAO remaining regulars are guys fascinated by
Arnold Krueger. He exerts on them an attraction, a pervet
interest which make them look very stupid. Watch Weil's
pathetic efforts to get a little attention from Arnold,
don't tell me that this guy is "normal", and no need to
speak about Middius' real obsession...