Obie Wanna Wail and Whine said:

Check out the madisound "woodstyle" cabinets.

I have. They're ****. My cabinets are superb in comparison. Joe, do
you have good taste in anything?

Cabinet finish doesn;t mean squat to the sound of the speaker.

You're sounding more trotsky-like every day.

You accused trotsky of slapping together components at random, without
"doing the design", and you claimed this was a guarantee his speakers
would sound awful. Subsequently, it transpired that his own R&D
contribution was superseded because he was using a proven design
(albeit an off-the-shelf one), which proved you WRONG.

Give the little sweathog his due: The speakers don't sound terrible
because they were "designed" by a qualified designer. If you want to
keep blasting him about the speakers, give up the "debating trade"
crap (like the slimy exchange about the cabinets). The fact is that
the speakers are based on a legitimate design, they look nice, and
they perform at least adequately. Maybe Gregipus did stumble on a
niche for potential success. As you know, the biggest fault found by
dave weil in his test drive is the lack of low bass. However, this
deficit is stated plainly on his Web site -- FR is given as 50-20000
Hz. Nobody should be surprised that the Europas need a sub.

Maybe *you* think it's a ripoff because *you* love to tinker up to
your elbows. I'd say *you* are not in the demo on this one.

You need to revert to the one criticism you've made that's valid even
after the disclosure about Madisound: The speakers are overpriced.
Gregipus can legitimately argue that they perform comparably to other
$1300 speakers. You can legitimately counter that the justification
for such a large markup over cost is generally taken to be the trials
of R&D, which you know he didn't do. (Do you know that all small
speaker companies did a lot of costly R&D? No, of course you don't.)

If you don't want to make yourself into as much of an audio fool as
you are a politics fool, you need to come up with a new argument. Mine
is that trotsky is a whacked-out headcase and an arrogant asshole.
Nobody has been able to prove that one wrong. Maybe you should try it.