"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:03:04 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:00:55 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

Sorry, Trotsky. No can do.
It's necessary to draw attention to what in my opinion is one of the
great
audio frauds and misrepresentations of our time -- Jupiter Audio.
You, Greg Singh, are a fraud, plain and simple.

Actually, it's not true. He is indeed selling speakers that make
sound. They are better than 95% of all speakers made.

They are? Are you serious? What is the universe of discourse here? Are
you
including transistor radio speakers driven by 100mw? Dashboard
enunciators?
The ubiquitous Panasonic answering machine?

Why, yes I am.

What part of "all speakers made" do you not understand?

If Best Buy shelf systems are included, we still have to be careful.

No we don't. Well, at least *I* don't.

Of course not. You don't have to be careful. I'm impressed.


We don't know whether Greg's speakers have a horrendous respons anomaly
which
deprives them of the benefit that should accrue from better drivers.

"We" might not, but "I* do. They are sitting in my living room as we
speak. If you'llgo back and reread what I said, you'llrealize that I'm
saying that there is no "horrendous response anomaly" present in his
speakers.

I won't assume you're prejudiced, but you are just one person.
You are, of course, entitled to hold any opinion you wish about his
speakers.
Unfortunately, I know nothing about your reputation as a reliable observer
or reporter.
If you report that the speakers are good, I will not discount your
observation, but neither will I take it as settled that your observations
are correct, unless they are confirmed multiple times by independent
observers.


A bad cook can spoil any food.
Beware of Radio Shack Linaeums, as well. The Linaeum was one helluva good
tweeter. Greg's woofers are probably better than Radio Shack's, but he's
flying blind. Misalignment of a bass reflex system is devastating to the
sound, regardless of who/what drivers are used.

Well, you can fly blind all you want to. I've got his speakers in
house.

I won't assume you're prejudiced, but you are just one person.
You are, of course, entitled to hold any opinion you wish about his
speakers.
Unfortunately, I know nothing about your reputation as a reliable observer
or reporter.
If you report that the speakers are good, I will not discount your
observation, but neither will I take it as settled that your observations
are correct, unless they are confirmed multiple times by independent
observers.


Make up whatever scenarios make you feel comfortable, Bob.

In the particular quality which results from proper tuning, Greg is very
much at a disadvantage. By his own admission, he made exactly one box,
and
tried exactly one crossover, and played only with the stuffing. This is a
highly atypical design path, perhaps unique, in the annals of speakers
marketed to audiophiles.

I'll have something to say about the stufing later. In the meantime,
you can continue to play games all you want. But that's all they are
and I think it undermines the razor-thin credibility that you attempt
to maintain here with your pseudo-engineer crap. Me? I'll talk about
things I've actually heard.

That's fine with me. I can't accept your opinion as definitive, but I
definitely will consider it in combination with the opinions of others.



We can't assume that Greg's speakers are better than some of the cheap
stuff
available --

You're right, "we" ca'nt. That's because you haven't heard them. *I*
on the other hand, *can* make some "assumptions" because I have them
in house.

the new little Kefs, the NHT Super Zeros, or whatever
represents that class today.

When I hear those speakers, I'll comment on them as well.

While it's true that the large volume makers
count every scrap of wire, they usually have the benefit of Harmon
International's speaker lab, with turntable and MLSSA, and the Canadians
have their counterpart. Other small makers have their own woodshops and
spend months turning out cabinets with minor variations. This, the tuning
procedure, has been ridiculed by Greg as unnecessary to a person as
"lucky"
as him.

It doesn't matter about the process, only the result.
What do you think the odds are? Do you feel that Trotsky's random approach
has a reasonable chance of bearing succulent fruit?


Even a Strad out of tune can't play.

Oh, but you're wrong. An accomplished violinist can compensate. They
do it all the time with intonation variations.

Minor variations, yes. Not Trotskyvarius out-of-tone.

You lose.

Again.

They are
different than 99% of all speakers made.

The question of course is how they stand up to the remaining 5% and
whether or not it matters whether his speakers are different than the
other 99%.

Bob, you need to take deep breath and get out of the apartment...

Just jogged 4 miles, and I'm comfortably back in my 3000 sq ft digs.

And you didn't get mugged?

Not in Dresher. Crimes are almost unheard of.


PS, that's a prety small warehouse you live in.

I suggest you check out the following neighborhood/address:
1570 Arran Way
Dresher, PA
19025
and you'll understand why I have four main systems in my 3000 square foot
house.
A relief map will give you an idea of my jogging course; 2 miles per lap of
rolling terrain, with two steep hills.

I'm sorry I've lost, but I'm very comfortable .