Clyde Slick wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
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Thanks for admitting that we have it right and you guys can not
prove
that you hear what you claim and that much of what you believe
about
audio is more in the realm of mysticism.


You miss the point. We don't believe in any need for proof.

That much is obvious.

Nor do we
believe
in mysticism.

If you believe that people can hear differences from things like
Shakti
stones, then you do believe in mysticism.


I don't know whether any particular people can hear differences with
Shakti
Stones.

Yes you do, you just don't admit it. It's impossible.

All I care about is whether I hear any differences with Shakti
Stones, and
if so,
are the differences worth the money, and if so, can I afford them.

You're saying you don't care if it's possible for them to have an
effect.

Three questions. If any one of the three answers is no, then I am not

interested.
Now, as to question 1) I don't know whether I would hear a
difference. I
never
used Shakti Stones. Question 2) I assume that whatever differences I
might
possibly
find, they are not worth the exhorbitant cost of the Shakti's, that I
could
get better results for less money investing in better equipment.

Why would you be reluctant to know if it's possible for them to do what
they claim?
To me that's a more important question than being able to affor them.
I can afford a copper bracelet which is allegedly supposed to benefit
people with arthritis, but I won't buy one because I know they don't
have any effect.

Question 3)
I probably
could afford them, but there are scads of other things
I would prefer to spend that money on.


Save your money it is impossible for ehm to work as advertised.



All we have are opinions. And all we need are opinions.
What other people hear or don't hear isn't all that relevant,
whether
proven
or not. It's whatever pleases us, for whatever reason, that
matters.

Who has said otherwise. Listen how you choose, to what you choose.
If you make a claim of sonic difference due to something like
Shakti
Stones or some other device for which there is no possibility of an

effect, you shouldn't be surpised or alarmed when people comment on
the
absurdity of it.


That's fine, I don't care about you questioning Shakti Stones, ITs
the
insistence on your scienctific methodology as applied to consumer
audio
purchases.

But I don't insist on it and never have. I only suggest that people
claiming differences from things that aren'tlikely to have them or from
things like Shakti Stones, which do not have any effect, think about
finding out if there is a real effect or an imagined one. Perfectly
reasonable, in light of how many things have been shown to be snake
oil.

It's about enjoying the music, in whatever flavor or lack of
flavor we
like.
This isn't science.


There's no real science to listening, but there is in how people can
think something causes an effect when it in fact can't.

I have never begrudged anybody buying whatever they want to listen ot
music. I do have issues about things like stones and clairifiers that
can not do what is claimed.

I've listened to enough amplifiers to know that some do indeed sound
different and tried to educate myself on why that might be. One thing
is certain and that's that price and appearance havenoting to do with
performance as is evidenced by pro amps, which typically costfar less
than consumer audio amps and most of which perform at least as well as
anything in the megabuck amp category.

People who want to spend 10,000 bucks for a CD player ought to be aware
of the fact that they could spend 1/10th of that and achieve the same
level of sound quality. That doesn't mean I have a problem with people
spending their money as they see fit, it just means that if it's sound
they are after, then can get it for less and buy better spakers or more
CD's.

Why should anyone be offended at the notion of spending less to get the
exact same sound quality?

Why should anyone not want to know that?

It seems there are basicly 2 kinds of audio systems. Those owned by
people who are obsessed with accurate reproduction and those who are
obsessed with endless tweaking to get a sound they have a preference
for. I'm in the first group and I have no desire to spend/waste time
trying to get anything different than what the artist and engineers who
made the record wanted to be heard.

You can do it your way if you choose. It's your money.