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MINe 109 wrote:
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MINe 109 wrote:

I'd hate to be stuck with unsatisfactory gear because some
engineer
somewhere doesn't think audible consequences possible.

I wouldn't take the word of one engineer either--unless the
alternative
was to take the word of a non-engineer! But every effect has a
cause,
and if you can't find any expert anywhere who can explain the
cause,
it's time to consider the possibility that you're misreading the
effect.

"Trust me: I'm an EE," that kind of thing?

What is it about, "I wouldn't take the word of one engineer" that you
did not understand?

Sorry, did I miss a smiley?

Sounds like arguing from
authority, especially if I'm told I'm not qualified to have an
opinion.

On the subject of audible design differences between CD players, I
think you've already conceded that point.

I'll stick to my ears. I haven't conceded that point.

I find it more
reassuring when an engineer with a respectable audio track record
points
out things that can go wrong, like the pro-audio guy who found
that
cheap dvd players had clipped outputs due to poorly implemented
DACs.

Missed that. Can you provide a reference?

It was Ken Kantor on rec.audio.pro, about two years ago.

Thanks. As Chung noted, if true it's easily measurable and easily
explainable. No one's ever claimed there aren't some bad machines out
there, both poor designs and defectives. It's my impression that they
are uncommon (except at the price extremes). I'll admit that I don't
have a lot to go on there, but neither has anyone who's argued the
opposite. Absent any better data, I tend to give credence to engineers
who know something about the actual innards of these machines. Note
that this is not "arguing from authority."

It is when the reference is to engineers in general.

One selling point of the Arcam is the RingDAC, which was sourced
from

dCS, who may be presumed to know something about design.

There are presumably many ways to design DACs. What's debatable is
whether one way is enough better than another way to have audible
consequences.

I doubt I could tell an Elgar from my CD23.

I doubt you could tell either from a lot of things.

Stewart could.

Stephen