"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
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When McKelvy claimed, after 7 years, that he would shut his lying,
libelous mouth and never mention my name again or respond to my posts
if I agreed to his pathetic attempts to harass me via telephone and
give him some information, just about all of those with at least half a
brain saw through his scam.

Incredible that you could see through a non-existent scam. A scam that did
not involve any actual direct commumication, therefore no real harrassment.
Apparently, half a brain is all you have.


Obviously, there was (and is) no reason to
trust him, given his despicable history.

My history of asking pointed questions that you refuse to answer, like why
you made an unprovoked personal attack in the Julian Hirsch thread?

Had I allowed the calls from
him to go through and then given him the last 4 digits of his cell
phone, he could simply lie about this and claim either that (a) it
never happened, or (b) the numbers that I would then publish (perhaps)
on RAO were ones that I made up.

I never said I would use my cell phone, that number is available through
information and would have been too easy for you to claim that I called you
from it, even if I hadn't.

There is no question in my mind that
he has had and does not now have any intention of discontinuing his
smear campaigns and libel.

The only one on a smear campaign right now is you.

All that said, its' very tempting to expose this lying character
assassin as one who has no intention of honoring proposals that involve
termination of his compulsive need to attack me whenever he can.

OSAF.

(That's just one of his wide range of psychiatric problems).
Therefore, I've decided to make a counterproposal that will be far less
likely for him to cheat and sabotage. Just as there is a tape of
Krueger talking to Graham which many of us have heard and know to be a
reality, despite Krueger's denials, my proposal also involves a tape.

(1) I will designate a time for McKelvy to call the telephone number
that he claims he has recently called several times.


I said 3 times.

(2) If he calls that number at the time I specify, he will get an
answering machine with my voice and name announced, with a request that
he leave a message.

(3) He should then leave his name, telephone number, and mailing
address on the tape.

(4) I agree not to publish this information without his permission.
However, I will announce that i have received the information and post
it in a way that it can not be identified (omission of numerals and
letters).

(5) In return, McKelvy must publically stipulate on RAO - in the title
of a thread - that he will refrain from ever mentioning me or my
professional activities again on RAO. (This is no more than he
promised to do in his proposal).

Actually, I said if you agreed to my proposal and could meet my request, I
would shut up about you forever.

Further, he must agree and stipulate
that my attacks on Krueger or anybody else that attacks me DO NOT GIVE
HIM ANY EXCUSE TO JUMP IN AND START FLAMING AWAY AS HE HAS DONE OFTEN
IN THE PAST.

The reason for the tape recorded answering machine response requirement
is quite simple. Just as a part of Krueger's conversation with Graham
was posted to RAO (and a much larger, complete portion sent to many of
us), if McKelvy denies or lies about making this call in the manner
specified, I'll have proof that he's lying. Given his history, that's
a reasonable approach.
Of course, if he handles this correctly, no information will be given
out other than that described above.


For those of you who remember Gene Steinberg, after a long period of
nasty exchanges, the two of us spoke on the telephone and aired our
differences. After that, there were no more hostilities. Unlike
McKelvy, both Stewart Pinkerton and Paul Wagner, two former posters
who, like Leslie Van Vreeland, made the mistake of engaging in personal
attacks thorugh lying about my credentials - had the integrity to issue
public retractions when they quickly found out that their statements
were both false and libelous because of evidence they obtained.
Another psychologist (industrial, I think) who used to post here, and
is, I believe an acquaintance of both Nousaine and Krueger, is a man by
the name of Doug Stabler. As I recall, he lives in Palatine, Illinois,
or did the last time I corresponded with him. He also knows the truth.
McKelvy should do no less than issue a public retraction re. his
comments about my identity, professional activities, and credentials.

Doofus, I agreed that if JJ said you were who you said you were that was
good enough for me. When is the last time I questioned whether or not you
were a shrink? The person who continually brings it up is YOU!

I stated some time ago that the problem was less about your profession, than
it was about the fact that choose to try and become a professional asshole.

My original proposal stands. Pick a time for me to call you, then using
caller I.D. which I assume you have, post the last 4 numbers of the phone I
call from. That's it. It does have to be the number listed as belonging to
Bruce J. Richman PhD. in N. Miami, Fl. You don't have to talk to me. In
fact I have no desire to talk to you.

If you like I will give the number I intend to call you from to a neutral
3rd party like Sander or Ruud, so they can back up the story and make you
more comfortable that I'm not cheating.