"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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Joseph Oberlander wrote:

I would love to show him the Liberty my friend has and
how it kept being towed out of and over things while
my other friend and her were offroading. His old Bronco
had no problems. Neither did his Wrangler a few months
later. The Liberty is a yuppie toy offroad.

Darn, and here I thought this was an audio forum and the topic was
audio systems.

That aside, factory sound systems stink with the exception
of a few of the Lexus and Volvos(Mercedes fails because
they still don't see a CD player as standard equipment
and it's integrated into the security system, for instance).

Delusions of omnisicence noted.

$1200 for an audio system that you could beat with stock
Kenwood parts and $600 at your local audio sound store - some
price savings. Factory options are the biggest scam in
the automotive industry.

Additional delusions of omniscience and delusions of being a unbiased
judge of good sound, noted.

In fact there are any number of OEM sound systems that sound great. A
lot of what you pay for with a factory sound system isn't reflected in
the sound - its reflected in the fact that its built to last out the
rest of the car's warranty, which most after-market sound systems
aren't.

For example, OEMs pay about the same money or even a little more in
10,000 lots for receiver chassis as you'll pay for just one down at the
corner CarTunes shop. The major difference is how long the respective
devices are warranteed for, and how long they will actually, on the
average, last.

There's also the fact that a good factory installed system has been
engineered to sound good in the particular car it is installed in. After
market systems IME aren't.