Arny Krueger wrote:

Joseph Oberlander wrote:


I would love to show him the Liberty my friend has and
how it kept being towed out of and over things while
my other friend and her were offroading. His old Bronco
had no problems. Neither did his Wrangler a few months
later. The Liberty is a yuppie toy offroad.


Darn, and here I thought this was an audio forum and the topic was
audio systems.


That aside, factory sound systems stink with the exception
of a few of the Lexus and Volvos(Mercedes fails because
they still don't see a CD player as standard equipment
and it's integrated into the security system, for instance).


Delusions of omnisicence noted.

No, most factory systems sound like crap. The Bose syndrome.
Okay sound but at insane markups(let alone the cars with
Bose in them)

$1200 for an audio system that you could beat with stock
Kenwood parts and $600 at your local audio sound store - some
price savings. Factory options are the biggest scam in
the automotive industry.


Additional delusions of omniscience and delusions of being a unbiased
judge of good sound, noted.

I never said I was unbiased. So the rest of this blather of yours
is meaningless. I'm biased as hell, so live with it, Arny.