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S O'Neill

No, it hasn't been proven at all because it hasn't been legitimately tried.

Sure it has. But because it doesn't work in practice every attempt to
implement it has had to be modified. But hey, what's a little "revisionism"
between Comrades, eh?

Look, "surplus value" (as Marxist theory calls all profit) is NOT as is
claimed a result of stealing from labor, all profit is NOT a result of the
laborer in a factory's effort alone. Let's say you go out and buy a metal
lathe and start a small business, now YOU own the "means of production".
Someone has to market your company to find customers, manage the work that
comes in and order more raw materials, keep the books, answer the phone, it's
not just the guy turning the lathe who creates a product of value it's a team
effort. Marx and Engels claim otherwise and they are just plain wrong.
Successful business models are based on cooperation, not conflict, and profit
is a reflection of the value that is being created by that group process. In a
successful business model, after everyone is paid fairly there should still
profit left over, and if this is not the case a business is not healthy, either
the business model or product/service has problems. If people put Capital up
to start up the business, they have created some part of the value intrinsic in
that profit. Many successful people have failed many business start ups before
acheiving success, it ain't an automatic thing as Marxism would imply. This
isn't the 19th Century anymore.

The basic 3 tenets of Marxism, Dialectical Materialism, The Labor Theory
of Value and Historical Materialism are all poor constructs theoretically and
impossible to make work practically. What they did serve to do however was to
give certain people a philosophical excuse for committing the greatest
atrocities and inhumanities to one's fellow man in the 20th Century.

Will Miho
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