On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:37:25 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:

Either people have the right to property and the ability to transfer it or
they don't. If they do, the government has no claim on it. If they don't
you have no right to anything unless the government says so.

Nope these are two abstract positions between which there is an ocean
of territory. The U.S. today is somewhere in between.