Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Arny Krueger lies, as usual:


"JBorg" wrote in message
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Pooh Bear wrote:

The 6L6 ( or whatever ) is still around in its original form since
it isn't capable of being significantly improved. It's stuck in a
time warp so to speak.

Agreed.


You believed that SS op-amp seems to be going strong after 30 yrs
while 6L6 tubes, otoh, are stuck in this "time warp" and so cannot
be significantly improve but yet, audiophiles continue to appreciate
and embrace these tubes by buying millions of them today.

Turntablists whose interests are making music far less so than reproducing
music, have created a short-term bulge in the sales of turntables.
Similarly, guitarists whose interests are making clearly music and not
reproducing music, have created a long-term but declining market share for
tubed MI equipment.

Therefore, while we know that tubes are widely sold as specialty items
primarily for rock musicans, we know far less about the sales of tubes to
audiophiles. In the Detroit area there are any number of music stores
selling tubed guitar amps. AFAIK there is only one small hole-in-the-wall
audio store that sells tubed equipment. It does not exclusively sell tubed
equipment and I don't know what proportion of its miniscule sales are tubed
equipment.


Is this difference you speak of above then reason enough not to
silence techies from continuously harassing ppl who cherish vacuum
tubes?

Ironically, it seems to be the people who cherish tubes who are the major
harassers around here. For example, we a certain Dr Richman, arguably
currently the largest source of vile, harassing, off-topic posts on RAO, who
is a tube advocate.



The above claims, by pathological liar Krueger, are indicative of his
delusional state of mind. The Google record clearly indicates that Krueger is
RAO's most widely despised and scorned poster because of his chronic,
unprovoked smear campaigns against others. The above blatant set of lies, is
just one example of his 7 year history of libel, pathological lying, and smear
campaigns directed against many RAO posters.

Readers are all encouraged to read the classic RAO thread entitled, "Have You
Had A Bad Krueger Experience", in which Krueger's numerous failures to engage
in normal behavior with others is detailed. Notice the number of targeted
individuals that he has harassed, insulted, and lied about in his lengthy
history of unprovoked personal attacks against others on RAO.






Modern semiconductors are being improved all the time. The
consequent low demand for old ones makes them uneconomic to
continue manufacturing.

Exactly. It would be interesting to see an objective comparison of the 6L6
tube to one of the more modern tube designs such as the 6C33. If the 6C33 is
a better device, then why hasn't it driven the 6L6 off the market like
improved semiconductor designs have driven legacy semiconductors off the
market? Does this mean that the tube market is not about improved
performance?


You got your self encase in clouds way up there in the ozone layer
seemingly carried away with the word "improve". If SS/semiconductor
are so improve, won't you come down and tell why ppl cuddle the tubes
buying millions after 60 yrs.

Same reason people cuddle an old tobacco pipe or an old walking-stick.
Sentimentality.


In terms of audio sound, if semiconductor are being improve all the
time to make them sound better, why are they being improve all the
time to make them sound better?

In terms of amplifiers for high fidelity reproduction there have been no
sound quality improvements in them since the latter days of tubes. All that
has happened since the best tubed amps became sonically transparent is that
amplifiers in general have gotten more reliable, common, smaller, cheaper,
efficient, adaptable, etc.


I'm afraid your premise falls at the first hurdle - unless you like
unimprovable old products.

But thats according to you with your favorite "improve" partially
paired with "old" products.

How do you account for those buying tubes by millions after 60 yrs?

(1) Sales to a different market than high fidelity audio
(2) Sentimentality











The above anti-tube propaganda which Krueger has been spewing for many years is
just another vehicle by which he manages to insult people while attempting to
disguise it as being "on-topic". Nobody with any sense falls for his old,
tired act. He does not have the ability to disagree with the preferenes of
others without engaging in ad hominem attacks against them. This is very well
known to all of us that have been smeared by this pathological liar.



Bruce J. Richman
Limited psychologist

Bruce J. Richman : I am not interested in flame wars.