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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:07:30 -0700, dapra wrote:

I see libertarians, as being the foot soldiers of the corporate oligarchy. Some
of them may not know it, but by advocating 'personal freedom' their intention
is to fragment any opposition to the ruling class.

How very Orwellian of you:

personal freedom is corporate oligarchy
freedom is slavery
war is peace

What's an English-speaking person to do? Praise the state to advance
freedom? Praise war to advance peace?

They don't understand, or
they may do!, that getting together 100 CEO's to undermine democracy, control
the government is a lot more easier than motivating 100 million people to stand
up for their rights.

Oh, that is abundantly clear. That's why both the Democratic Party and
the Republican Party have been so successful in the short term.

They may claim their intention is of personal freedom, but they are destroying it.

How?

The movement is largely funded by industries, especially mining ,
timber and oil.

I'd like to see your evidence of this. In fact, frankly I'd like to HAVE
some of the evidence. But alas, as dapra pointed out, it's easier to get
those CEOs controlling the government than it is to get them to
support freedom for individuals.

They love having these messengers for absolute
property rights and anti-regulatory folks carrying their water for
them.

You think big industry is opposed to regulation? Alas, I am afraid that
is mostly not the case - those fellows largely got where they are by
buying into government, and they're not about to let go of their
controlling interest. "Absolute property rights", for instance - were it
not for the handy-dandy, absolutely legal tool of eminent domain, why,
companies might actually have to PAY landowners for their property!

http://www.gothamgazette.com/iotw/condemned/

Respect for "absolute property rights" protects EVERYone - the old
couple living in their retirement house as well as the large
corporation. It is government - owned by corporations - which ALLOWS
people to be robbed 'legally'.

That it is simultaneously dismantling civil society does not seem to
bother them as long as the short term profits flow.

Pushing people around is not included in any definition of 'civil
society' I am aware of.

- Susan