wrote:

There are appalling parents out there who abuse their
kids daily. I don't wan't such misfits determining the kids welfare.

Yes - this is why children should never be considered the subjects of
one particular adult or *set of adults*.

And so who decides if the 18 month old who's suffering neglect stays
with his parents?

A jury of the parent's peers.

Define "neglect" while you are at it.

Because there is twilight does not mean there is not day and night.

Okay, don't define it. Keep an incredibly vague word
as the foundation of you argument. There are all manners
of neglect, and retroboy argues the state can intervene
for all of them, even when that is a really stupid position
to take.

Are the Amish
neglecting their children? Too bad Koresh didn't get
his day in court -- they killed the childred in order to
save them (from what turned out to be nothing).

Yadda, yadda.

And how young was the youngest girl Koresh slept with? 10?

Beats me, but the claims of child molestation by the government
were unfounded. Good to see you parroting the state line.

--Ted