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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:09:46 -0400, Susan Hogarth
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:54:34 -0400, Susan Hogarth
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Do we have 'longevity, health, peace, and lower crime' now? Do we now
live longer, healthier, more peaceful lives than we would have if there
were no welfare-warfare state?

Absolutely. Go read some history.

History tells you what *would have been* if things had been different? I
think you misunderstand what history is if you believe that.


It does allow you to look at how things were and then compare them to
how things have turned out since.

If you liked Edwardian slums, sweatshops and child labor, I can
understand why their disappearance from developed countries troubles
you.

Like most libertarians you have a mental image of how things would be
if there were no regulation, you just have never taken the trouble to
compare it to the 100s , nay 1000s of year when it was not present.
Your utopia did not emerge. and government stepped in when things
got intolerable.

Bull****, Liberal politicians stepped in when they thought they could garner
votes. It's a good thing there were enough Republicans in office when the
first Civil Rights bill was voted on or it wouldn't have passed.

But feel free to fight for your right for the 80 hour work week for 12
year-olds.


Since only 10% of the workplace is unionized and the unions main goal is to
make things cost more by increasing labor costs, I'd rather be free to fight
my own battles, without "help" from the Feds.
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