"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message

I can't believe I'm the only "intelligent" person in this group with
any real insight into this issue.

Thanks a lot, Bill.

Not!

I don't remember you posting any elegant thought experiments, Arny.
(If you did, and I overlooked them, I apologize.)

OK.

BTW your thought experiments are generally just fine. I've posted my support
for them at times, right?

I find the whole situation quite instructive. Formal cites have been given,
which can be resolved with a trip to any number of libraries. People argue
on, regardless.

In short, people seem to be a lot more enthusiastic about writing than
reading. That seems to have the same effect as speaking instead of
listening.

I haven't seen anything correct that has posted on the audio groups of
Usenet for days if not weeks, that the well-known scientific literature
doesn't cover in spades. We're talking papers and books that are 30+ years
old.

It seems like I'm the only one in this group with ready access to the JAES
which may be understandable. But Halliday and Resnick should be in a jillion
different libraries. There don't seem to be a lot of people here who have
actually taken first year college physics, it seems.