Historic point with Arthur Sackman/Tsechmeister

[Lionel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_during_World_War_II.

"Of all the allies of Nazi Germany, Romania bears responsibility for the
deaths of more Jews than any country other than Germany itself. The
murders committed in Iasi, Odessa, Bogdanovka, Domanovka, and Peciora,
for example, were among the most hideous murders committed against Jews
anywhere during the Holocaust. Romania committed genocide against the
Jews. The survival of Jews in some parts of the country does not alter
this reality."

This country is surely rich of "nostalgics".
Are you 100% sure of your ancesters ? Of your new "family" ?

For my part I'm not surprised of your choice. It is perfectly coherent
with your persona here on RAO. ;-)

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Oct, 13:21, Lionel > wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_during_World_War_II.
>
> "Of all the allies of Nazi Germany, Romania bears responsibility for the
> deaths of more Jews than any country other than Germany itself. The
> murders committed in Iasi, Odessa, Bogdanovka, Domanovka, and Peciora,
> for example, were among the most hideous murders committed against Jews
> anywhere during the Holocaust. Romania committed genocide against the
> Jews. The survival of Jews in some parts of the country does not alter
> this reality."
>

maybe so, but Odessa and Bogdanovka are in the Ukraine.
Domonovka and Pecoria are not in Romania, I can't
find them at all on Google maps. Mybe they are extinct, it
happened a lot in the Ukraine, entire villages became defunct.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Oct 25, 4:36 pm, Bret Ludwig > wrote:

> Why were the Jews so viscerally hated by the populace?

That's easy: to please you.

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> On 25 Oct, 13:21, Lionel > wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_during_World_War_II.
>>
>> "Of all the allies of Nazi Germany, Romania bears responsibility for the
>> deaths of more Jews than any country other than Germany itself. The
>> murders committed in Iasi, Odessa, Bogdanovka, Domanovka, and Peciora,
>> for example, were among the most hideous murders committed against Jews
>> anywhere during the Holocaust. Romania committed genocide against the
>> Jews. The survival of Jews in some parts of the country does not alter
>> this reality."
>>
>
> maybe so, but Odessa and Bogdanovka are in the Ukraine.
> Domonovka and Pecoria are not in Romania, I can't
> find them at all on Google maps. Mybe they are extinct, it
> happened a lot in the Ukraine, entire villages became defunct.

I'm not surprised, you have proved so many times that you are the RAO
dunce in history. But I was hoping that, at least, you would have
interested in knowing a little bit more about the history of the nation
which will receive you soon. :-(
With the language lessons you should have also requested for basic
historic courses.
From an immigrant it's an important step for a successful integration.
Ask Scott I'm sure he has a pertinent point of view about this. :-D

[Lionel]

Bret Ludwig a écrit :
> On Oct 25, 4:25 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>> On 25 Oct, 13:21, Lionel > wrote:
>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_during_World_War_II.
>>> "Of all the allies of Nazi Germany, Romania bears responsibility for the
>>> deaths of more Jews than any country other than Germany itself. The
>>> murders committed in Iasi, Odessa, Bogdanovka, Domanovka, and Peciora,
>>> for example, were among the most hideous murders committed against Jews
>>> anywhere during the Holocaust. Romania committed genocide against the
>>> Jews. The survival of Jews in some parts of the country does not alter
>>> this reality."
>> maybe so, but Odessa and Bogdanovka are in the Ukraine.
>> Domonovka and Pecoria are not in Romania, I can't
>> find them at all on Google maps. Mybe they are extinct, it
>> happened a lot in the Ukraine, entire villages became defunct.
>
> The various Eastern European ethnics were often far more brutal to
> Jews and truly viscerally hated them. Whereas most Germans later
> accused-properly or not-with anti-Jewish activity were cursed for
> their "clinical detachment", regarding Jews as a doctor cutting out a
> diseased appendix would have for the removed appendix, there was no
> such air of isolation there. They were vicious, often truly vicious.

Those who have read "the painted bird" from Jerzy Kosinski are boliged
to agree with you.

> To be sure many, arguably most, of their victims had done nothing to
> deserve such bestial treatment. Yet the honest inquirer has to ask the
> question; why? Why were the Jews so viscerally hated by the populace?

There are many explanations which have nothing to do with the Jewish
community per se since these populations have had the same cruel
attitude toward the Muslims when history gave them the opportunities.

[Lionel]

Bret Ludwig a écrit :
>>> The various Eastern European ethnics were often far more brutal to
>>> Jews and truly viscerally hated them. Whereas most Germans later
>>> accused-properly or not-with anti-Jewish activity were cursed for
>>> their "clinical detachment", regarding Jews as a doctor cutting out a
>>> diseased appendix would have for the removed appendix, there was no
>>> such air of isolation there. They were vicious, often truly vicious.
>> Those who have read "the painted bird" from Jerzy Kosinski are boliged
>> to agree with you.
>>
>>> To be sure many, arguably most, of their victims had done nothing to
>>> deserve such bestial treatment. Yet the honest inquirer has to ask the
>>> question; why? Why were the Jews so viscerally hated by the populace?
>> There are many explanations which have nothing to do with the Jewish
>> community per se since these populations have had the same cruel
>> attitude toward the Muslims when history gave them the opportunities.
>
> Yes, that's a good point. The Muslims were booted out for similar
> reasons. The people of Eastern Europe, never noted for a love of
> diversity, found that Muslims and Christians were incompatible.
>
> Look at the situation of more egalitarian and tolerant Western Europe
> today with its Muslims. No sane person thinks this is a successful
> arrangement.

This is not a problem specific to the Muslims community this is the
problem of suddain waves (tsunami ?) of immigration that are pervert
effect of economical liberalism and mundialization.

Perhaps you will be surprised to learn that in Algeria today they have
the same kind of problems chinese immigration. Too much, too suddenly !
Seems that in California they have the same problem with Mexican people
which is mostly catholic.
Since European Community has been extended to 25 coutries we have had a
sudden flow of Romanian immigrants in my area.
If you could listen to my neighbour's ranting (he is the local version
of ScottW) Muslims are not a problem anymore, Romanians are far worst !!!

> Only two schools of thought are even permissible: simply
> boot the muzzies out wholesale, root and branch, or the "more
> moderate" approach of micromanaging Western customs on them, which
> might work, if Western Europe still had the balls to execute and beat
> people such as are all that's understood in Arabia. You might stop
> honor killings if you guillotined or set alight avec MIchelin, (a la
> Winnie Mandela) the paterfamilias. But a ten year sentence in a posh
> Western European jail? Huh.

Integrists, extremists are a marginal minority.
Here in France when we have decided to forbid external religious sign in
secular schools we have had the surprised to be criticized by all
Americans religious zealots : Christian, Jewish, Neo-liberalist! ;-)
They predicted us civil war, apocalypse... Nothing happened.

Seems that all recent demonstrations of savagery and cruelty in Muslims
countries don't teach you that such answers to extremists' crimes would
be a victory that we would grant them.
Patent inefficiency of death penalty in USA clearly demonstrate that
this would be an inappropriate answer.

> The good thing is the more trouble the muzzies cause, the more
> popular the BNP and NPD get. Europe will come about to starboard when
> she is in sufficient pain, and deal sharply with the issues.

Seems to me that you are a little bit blind and that the danger (if
danger exist) doesn't come from the side you are waiting it.

> Darwin is not mocked, I know, and perhaps neither is the man with the
> moustache.

Alea jacta est since a very, very long time. :-)